ESA To UC - Managed Migration

MrSt0rM
MrSt0rM Online Community Member Posts: 43 Connected
edited December 19 in Universal Credit (UC)

Hi, I know there are several posts on this and I have read through everything but I am just a little confused on a couple of things, so hoped I could get some help before I can contact citizens advice next week.

I got my migration letter today, to move from ESA/housing benefit to UC, I know there is a 5 week? Gap between payments so I'm hoping this isn't a stupid question.. I am due payment of ESA on 24th December and again on 7th January. My housing benefit is due on 30 December. IF i apply for UC on 24/25th of December, is it correct they pay you for 2 weeks, so I would receive my ESA payment on 7th Jan? Also what about my housing benefit, will they still pay what they currently pay me on the 30th and then obviously again 5 weeks later on my UC? Or will I not receive any housing benefit on the 30th?

I'm worrying because if they don't pay my housing benefit it's due on 1st of month, and I won't be able to cover it this close to Christmas. If I do get my payment on the 7th of January I may be able to manage until 28/29th of January until hopefully I get my UC payment.

Thanks

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 62,398 Championing

    Does your ESA include the Severe disability Premium? If it does then I'd advise you wait until the last minute to claim UC because you have 3 months to do that. When I receive my letter, I won't be in any rush to claim it due to receiving the SDP with my ESA.

    To answer your questions…

    Once you submit your claim for UC Income Related ESA and housing benefit will both continue for 2 weeks so yes you will receive both of those payments.

    After that both of them will end. Help with the rent will be paid in with your UC known as housing element, unless you're either living in supported or temporary housing and then it will continue with housing benefit.

    Housing element of UC is paid at the same time as your UC payment, which is once a month. If you claim UC on 24th December this will be the start of your assessment periods, which last for 1 calendar month. This means your assessment periods will be 24th to 23rd of every month and payment will be 30th of every month, unless payment date falls on a weekend or a bank holiday and then you'll receive your payment on the last working day before.

    Due to the 2 week run on of ESA and HB this means you'll be just under 3 weeks without money. You can request an advance payment for UC but this does need to be repaid back and your future UC payments will be reduced.

    If any part of your ESA is contributions based, this will automatically revert to New Style ESA but it will be deducted in full from any UC entitlement. Your ESA payments will be £276.40/fortnight. The amount deducted from UC will be £598.86/month. It seems more is deducted that what you receive but that's not correct. ESA is a weekly benefit and UC is monthly and there's 4.3 weeks in a month, not 4 weeks.

    I hope this helps.

  • thisisit
    thisisit Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    Hi poppy - just a quick question, will the sdp end when moving to uc? Is it therefore better to start a migration claim about 1/2 weeks before the deadline?

    Thank you for your help

  • thisisit
    thisisit Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    Also - does the esa award letter state whether you qualify for sdp (hence when filling in the online form is it better to upload a photo of it as proof?) Is it not automatically known online that sdp was awarded?

    Thank you so much for your help :)

  • Kimmy87
    Kimmy87 Online Community Member Posts: 1,638 Trailblazing
    edited December 14

    When you claim UC, ESA will send your award details to them. This often takes at least several weeks but is usually done in time for your first payment.

    SDP is not payable under UC so yes it will end.

    If your overall UC award is less than legacy benefits Transitional Protection, which is designed to ensure you aren't worse off at the point of transfer, will be added to your UC entitlement.

    This does erode over time as other elements go up or new elements are added.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 62,398 Championing

    As they've now updated the system to recognise when someone migrates to UC from ESA it shouldn't take a few weeks for your claim to be updated and they shouldn't be asked you to provide any fit notes now, like they used to to before.

    Due to the erosion of the Transitional Protection I would leave claiming UC until as late as possible, as long as you claim by the date in the letter then it will be fine. Even on that date will be fine.

    You will not need to send them photos of anything as proof. They will receive all the information they need from ESA.

  • MrSt0rM
    MrSt0rM Online Community Member Posts: 43 Connected

    Is there a reason why I should wait til the last minute? Honestly I'd rather just get it over with ASAP, If its just 3 weeks with no money I should be okay, I'm just worrying that my rent payment that is due on 30th will not come through if I apply on 24/25 because I cannot afford to pay my full rent at end of month if that happens. If I don't get my uc/housing until end of January beginning of February my landlord would be okay with it being a few days late. It's just really confusing how its all worded. My rent is my biggest anxiety right now. I don't know whether to apply on 24th or apply on 30th when i get my rent and just risk my rent for January being late by upto 5 days by possibly being paid on 3rd February.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 62,398 Championing

    The reason is because your ESA includes the SDP, if it was me ( and I claim the SDP too) then I will be waiting until the last minute before claiming UC. Transitional Protection will be included with your UC but that does erode overtime so eventually, you'll be receiving the same amount of money as someone that doesn't receive the SDP.

    Housing benefit continues for 2 weeks once you submit the claim for UC so yes you'll receive that payment on 30th December.

  • MrSt0rM
    MrSt0rM Online Community Member Posts: 43 Connected

    yes it says your benefits don't go up, the protection keeps you on same amount of money even if rates go up. So you're saying that they will just erase the transitional protection over a few months and I will be hundreds worse off anyways?

  • MrSt0rM
    MrSt0rM Online Community Member Posts: 43 Connected

    Also I forgot to ask this in my first post. I currently rent privately and I get the 2 bedroom rate allowance (or just under) because a family member stays a couple of nights a week to help. Will I still get this on UC? Or will they just give me 1 bedroom rate. Sorry for all the questions, I am just panicking about the next few months.

  • Kimmy87
    Kimmy87 Online Community Member Posts: 1,638 Trailblazing
    edited December 14

    Transitional Protection reduces over time, until such a time when it reaches zero.

    How long that takes will vary from person to person as everyone has different circumstances that reduce it, a different amount it starts at etc.

    When you apply for UC you will need to re apply for the second bedroom.

    The threshold is generally a non resident household member, staying regularly to provide overnight care to a resident who gets a qualifying benefit.

    https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/benefits/how_many_bedrooms_you_can_claim_benefits_for

  • newbie2017
    newbie2017 Online Community Member Posts: 10 Contributor

    Thank you to both poppy and Kimmy 🙏. I am grateful that you both have the answers for everyone on the forum! I'm grateful for your knowledgeable post💝

  • MrSt0rM
    MrSt0rM Online Community Member Posts: 43 Connected

    the person who stays over has to get a qualifying benefit? That was never the case before. They know I have a family member stay over once or twice a week and I am in receipt of pip

  • Kimmy87
    Kimmy87 Online Community Member Posts: 1,638 Trailblazing
    edited December 14

    No, as I said the resident (that is the person receiving the care) has to be getting a qualifying benefit.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 62,398 Championing

    You have misunderstood what kimmy said. She said the resident (which is you) must be claiming a qualifying benefit to claim an extra bedroom for a carer, which you do.

  • MrSt0rM
    MrSt0rM Online Community Member Posts: 43 Connected

    Thank you both. So once the transitional amount reduces over time you end up a coupe of hundred worse off anyways? What’s the point in it then. I’d rather apply sooner than later, I will sort out my bills now and hopefully have UC in place by 1st of Feb. I don’t want to wait longer and get anxious further

  • birdwatcher
    birdwatcher Online Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering

    My friend got his letter today . He's been dreading it but is going to the advice place on Monday

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 599 Pioneering
    edited December 15

    The erosion isnt a week by week or month by month thing, the most likely cause of erosion will be annual benefit inflation uplifts. It can also be caused if any part of your UC gets an increase in entitlement.

    In my case not all of my UC is subject to annual uplifting, it includes LHA which is frozen for 2025, so only the non LHA and non TP portion of the payment will be uplifted next April. The TP will be decreased by that same amount.

    It has been announced at 4.1% for the uprate next year. Which for me works out at roughly £55 a month if I did the maths right, about 1/4 of my TP. This will accelerate in future years if LHA ever gets uprated (as my housing costs are not fully covered) or inflation increases.

    I didnt delay, as I got the letter back in early November, so unless there was a unforeseen delay on my migration it still would have completed before April. If its done on the date of your first statement instead of the date of the claim, then waiting for the 3 months now I think could get you over the line for keeping more of the SDP for an extra year?

    My early migration will be more than £55 a week, because it was also too early for me to get a HB uplift before the migration, which would have covered my entire rent and then transferred over as extra TP.

  • MrSt0rM
    MrSt0rM Online Community Member Posts: 43 Connected

    Thanks. I have to do it by 1st march so i don't think it would matter if i did it now or then. I understand that they erode the protection as benefits go up but the way things are worded I thought they would just stop it after a year and I'd be hundreds worse off. I'm worried more about my housing benefit, I don't get exactly 2 bed room rate. I get in-between 1 and 2 its an amount awarded to me since LHA went up and that I claim pip and had a family member staying once a week. If they drop any part of that I would be screwed. My cousin did all hers in october and said it was all straight forward and shes actually better off now. So just hoping it all goes smooth for me, reading so many horror stories really puts you off!

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 62,398 Championing

    The 12 months Transitional Protection applies to those migrating from Tax credits that have more than £16,000 in capital. For everyone else TP lasts for as long as it lasts. For some it will be longer than others, it depends on circumstances.

    If you want to migrate as soon as possible then that’s your decision. The reason I will be waiting is because I want my income to remain at this amount for as long as I can. When you migrate your benefits are frozen and will remain at that level until TP erodes completely.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,773 Championing