Wednesday: Statement on Benefits

Zipz
Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,951 Pioneering
edited January 29 in Benefits and income

[Moderator note: This discussion contains a lot of speculation.]

I've just read this. I'm more frightened these people that I was of anything IDS put forward... and that's saying something.

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  • mangomungo
    mangomungo Online Community Member Posts: 179 Empowering

    honestly how dare she. How dare she call herself labour, how dare she crash the economy then take it out on the most vulnerable. The first person to take their own life out of fear will be on her head. I’ve written to my MP to express my disgust and if people have it in them I suggest they do the same.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing

    Zipz, he is still in his seat and the entire benefits fiasco which includes UC is down to him and only him!

  • Remina
    Remina Online Community Member Posts: 276 Empowering

    In a way I'm glad they've brought this forward, I (like many others) am tired of being kept in a constant state of fear and suspense every single day regarding these welfare reform proposals. I wish she'd just hurry up and unveil the entire plans on wednesday and not just a small 'snippet' of them. It's cruel to keep many of us living in fear like this.

    If we know definitively in full what the reform plans are it will finally give the sick/disabled community and our advocates the ability to begin preparing any possible legal challenges against any reform proposals which could be found unsafe/dangerous to a claimant's health/welbeing. We can also engage in consultations and lobby our MPs against any severe reform plans.

    It's not doing my mental health any good having to continue to sit around each day worrying about the possible severity of the reforms, I just want to know Labours plans in full, then we can finally focus on our next move forward, so hurry up and bring them on, I say!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing
    edited January 26

    They are Tory plans being delivered by Labour.

    Let's stop pretending the last 14 years didn't happen pleeez!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing
    edited January 26

    The 2016 Welfare Reform and Work Act.

    Read.

  • keira
    keira Online Community Member Posts: 172 Empowering
    edited January 26
  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing

    Where (who) do people think all the anti-Starmer poison comes from ??

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,951 Pioneering

    @WhatThe You're right. In 2010, I had DLA for life as a result of which I was exempt from reassessments for out of work sickness benefits. I jumped (as if) through the new hoops, damaging my mind. I just about coped until last April and the PIP Green Paper. The GE gave a spark of hope. I didn't this anything could be worse than 14 years of Tory rule. I think I was wrong.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,951 Pioneering

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/7/contents

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,951 Pioneering
    edited January 26

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/7/contents

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing

    They simply don't have a choice because the cap on UC migration has been lifted.

    (I hope that post doesn't sound blunt - not how I meant it 🙂)

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing

    I was PCA exempt and persecuted too 😞

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing
    edited January 26

    The media has been quiet while all this has been going on. Now they're fanning a lot of hot air people are paying attention but none of this is new.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing

    The Tories spent every month of those 14 years blaming their "inheritance" from Labour!!!

    I'm sick of hearing how everything is the new Prime Minister's fault! He didn't vote for welfare cuts in 2015 and he didn't support Brexit in 2016.

    Without Labour publishing the Tories buried documents, we'd never know what happened during the last national reassessment programme and it's vital that we do.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 912 Championing

    All this anxiety from them making me bad. I've has to up my antidepressants. Starmer before the election said we will treat disabled people with dignity. I emailed him. So that why I voted Labour, thought they were different. I shouldn't of bothered. I am scared. What is wrong with this woman ? She's ruining the country, and taking it out on the vunerable. Giving the train drivers that high wage when they already get a huge pay. I've looked at jobs on indeed , there's nothing I able to do because of my health plus i don't drive , I just give up

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing

    Zipz, I'm saying that the most damaging welfare cuts voted for in 2015 changed who qualifies for LCWRA now. Any proposals for further reform are just that.

    John McDonnell as shadow chancellor pledged to reverse those cuts if Labour got into power in 2017. But they didn't. UC was paused then rolled out and finally escalated in May 2024 under the Tory 'leadership'.

    I just don't see how this PM can be held responsible for laws he did not support!

    Many in his cabinet of ex-DWP ministers however did support those 2015 cuts. Timms is an apologist for IDS and Kendall is too. IDS still holds his seat in Parliament and still rules the roost!

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 888 Championing

    totally forgot about this but the massive ‘Indiana jones stone ball crushing everything in its path’ dwp mentality was actually happening well before ‘IDS BC’ (before is in Duncan smith years)

    And it was our current Home Secretary (a starmer ally) who was behind them

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/even-harsher-new-esa-medical-approved

    Labour have a lot of good, decent MPs - the problem is a number of the cabinet are starmer loyalists (and some of those that were MPs 15yrs back were Blair loyalists)

    Look I was a fan of starmer a few years back and defended him however (and I do know some of it can’t be helped bcos of the mess the tories left) starmer has done a 180 from what he advertised himself as to Labour members when campaigning to be Labour leader.

    It feels wrong to be so critical of Labour (esp with far right bonkers mess of tories and reform realistically being the only other parties that can challenge Labour next ge as of now) but with same of the MPs as ministers starmers gov is basically ‘Blair gov mark 2’ and Blair was never traditional Labour (more blue Labour)

    I’m not sure it will happen in my lifetime but I’d like to see a traditional labour that ppl talk about existing before I was born in the 80s. But realistically I’m not sure the public will ever vote for that again

    I’m of a different generation to many on this forum and the number of years and life experience does impact one’s opinion - prehaps the younger you are the more idealistic you still are

    It’s a gut punch to be critical of Labour esp this soon after finally getting rid of the tories (and my frustration is aimed at starmers top team………not Labour MPs as a whole)

    There rumours that some Labour mp backbencher were pretty upset about the pensioner winter payment cuts and the waspi women situ (they felt they hadn’t signed up for these policies) but for now are biting their tongue and towing the line - it will be interesting to see for how many Labour MPs will feel the lines been crossed by higher ups depending on how extreme welfare reforms & cuts end up being

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,784 Championing
    edited January 27

    apple, Yvette Cooper only held that role for a month or two before IDS became Work and Pensions secretary in April 2010.

    He has been an MP continuously for 42 years but has been noticeably quiet about welfare since being gifted his seat in 2024.

    The ESA rollout in 2008 was his baby and Timms his wet nurse.