Wednesday: Statement on Benefits

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  • pburns1337
    pburns1337 Online Community Member Posts: 48 Contributor

    So this person speaking in place of Liz Kendall… Was anything noteworthy said?

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Online Community Member Posts: 231 Empowering

    Nothing that we didn’t already know. We’re still waiting for the green paper consultation thing in spring

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Online Community Member Posts: 248 Empowering

    They know the process, they just like playing head games with vulnerable people.

    I'll see what happens in the spring, but i'm not worrying about it.it. It's what they want for people to be in fear, hence why we've had this today.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,984 Championing

    Jeremy would of made sure we could relax and enjoy life to the best of our conditions allowance.

    I do get angry how they NEVER take a cut or mention it, I am so glad I'm not the sort of person who would pull a ladder up and boot the person below me in the face.

  • IndignantPigeon
    IndignantPigeon Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Hi everyone, the speech on welfare has just ended, done by Alison McGovern. Very little detail was given, I'm afraid we're not much further forward. They say they'll publish proposed changes in a "green paper" in the spring.

    Just one main thrust appeared to me to stand out, that 18-21 year-olds should be given employment, education or training (with threat of sanctions), which makes sense if you're that age and fit to work. I'm old enough to remember coming onto the job market when Thatcher smashed the country up, being left on the scrap-heap at a young age (because of "lack of experience") is no joke (I escaped by going back to uni - but they had grants in those days).

    I'm afraid however they'll try and force those having mental health problems like anxiety / autism to move into jobs which will be beyond anything they can cope with. There was lots of talk about "supporting" people into work, but we all know what that means. I doubt whether many employers will have the patience and capacity to adjust working conditions to support those having difficulties, maybe I'm being too cynical but speaking from years of experience… You just have to look at how they've viewed the disabled in the past, just how many have been rejected during interviews compared with the fit, which they expect to work like stink nowadays (just look at Aldi).

    Lots of talk about the "good" being in a job does for you (even though pensioners don't seem to suffer!) and "huge numbers" of long-term sick and disabled "wanting desperately" to return to work. Fine for those who can but if we're too sick / disabled, what then? Old Corbyn made a couple of attempts to pin her down: questions on whether correct benefits advice would be more readily available and whether they'd upgrade universal credit et al in line with recommendations, or whether they'd keep to the welfare cap - McGovern avoided giving answers to both questions.

    Incidentally, it was the Tories, Osborne in fact, who introduced this cap, back in 2014. There was NONE under Blair, which Labour MPs were harping back to during the debate.

    Also lots of talk about giving people "quality jobs that pay well". Another pipe dream I'm afraid, not everyone can do a highly skilled job, and there will always be lots of donkey-work around on low pay. What they should be doing is make big efforts to reduce the disparity of income between those poorly paid and the highest earners. But nope, this is the cheap alternative where they wave a carrot in front of your nose with a fantasy promise while most likely forcing you to do a **** job.

    AND while I'm about it, what they really should be doing is have a wealth tax for the super-rich. That way they could give everyone who is too sick / disabled to work dignity while they receive treatment, rather than the abject poverty we are subjected to now. I'm afraid their extreme reluctance to even contemplate this shows where their real sentiments lie.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,984 Championing

    Autism isn't a mental illness.

    Some people like myself don't interact in person at all I'm mute except to 4 people, I don't answer phones,doors or even go out and Most the time I walk into things, forget what I'm doing and saying and that's just a tiny amount of it.

    I don't think they'll get far with people like me

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 587 Pioneering

    Any news on what she said about cuts. What I watched was the secretary in the commons going on about heathrow. I fell asleep through it. By benefits and work it was also on at 4.15 today which I missed, how do you find it again to watch.

  • IndignantPigeon
    IndignantPigeon Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    I'm sorry nightcity (if you were referring to me) I didn't mean it that way, maybe I should have said "having social difficulties"? I'm very familiar with autism, my brother has the same condition, I'm well-aware of the sorts difficulties you're likely to encounter. Have a good evening x

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 86 Empowering

    I'm not overtly political, I try to stay out of it unless it's of importance because I know it's a divisive subject but Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell standing up for disabled rights gets my respect.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 587 Pioneering

    Go on to parliament tv website. Search put today s date and scroll down, Alison mcgovern will come . She's saying about getting people into work, still watching

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,984 Championing

    Hey.

    It's the government who think it's a mental illness, your post just reminded me to say that as I was going to days ago.

    have a great evening.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,262 Championing

    God john and jeremy blew my mind blew my mind im crying at the compassion

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,262 Championing

    And john mcDonnell Thankyou Thankyou

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,262 Championing

    Oh jeremy we lost you Thankyou thankyou for being an amazing human being