March 26th and Green Paper Mega Discussion (ITV leaks, etc)
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No - this sounds like a leak of what will be announced in the Budget - that is, the immediate short term savings that are needed.
The Green Paper will set out ideas for the long term future of out of work ill health benefits and PIP.
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how far are they intending on going with these cuts to LCWRA as it won’t change my inability to work if they force me into poverty and PIP is already too hard to get with people going without the help they need. It’s unforgivable that they’re planning on making a conservative system being UC and PIP, even harsher on those who are the most vulnerable. Will they be able to do this without backlash from the ECHR, the UN and the backbenchers? Starmer has put the nails in his own coffin as a one term prime minister.
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It seems like madness trying to attract voters who would never vote for you by pushing away the ones who would & did. Voted labour since i could vote won't be voting for them anymore
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I am fairly sure changes to rates and removal of pip need primary legislation changes and none of that is immediate.
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Me too I’ve always voted labour unfortunately I even voted Starmer in as labour leader when I was a member. Never again. I didn’t expect him to become the man he is today when he sat next to Corbyn as a member of his cabinet and spoke on reducing poverty. Now they’re threatening to push me into poverty by reducing my LCWRA to the point I can no longer feed myself or have hot water, it wont incentivise me into work it’ll incentivise me into a mental health crisis. If people can’t work, they can’t work. They should all feel deeply ashamed of themselves and I should hope they face fierce opposition from their own party, from scope, and from human rights organisations
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As I've posted before:
They can't fast track the legal process.
They were able to change the Winter fuel payment criteria so quickly because it was a government perk, not protected by legislation.
Green Paper: These are our plans, what do you think.
Consultation and feedback.
Then they release a White Paper.
White Paper: These are our proposals
Then the long legal process, going through both houses of parliament, delayed by any court challenges, amendments proposed by the House of Lords.
Then they finally become law.
The whole process takes years, and what eventually becomes law is usually a watered down version of the Green paper.
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It sounds absolutely outrageous, like it's such a brazen attack on the sick and disabled I can barely believe it. Even the stuff about trying to encourage people to get back to work, how does freezing PIP tie in with that exactly? That's just an attack on the disabled pure and simple. There needs to be major opposition to this. The whole point to people who aren't fit to work getting a higher rate of Universal Credit is because they aren't fit to work, they don't suddenly become fit to work because you give them less.
Even if you take the drive to get people back to work as genuine, it completely ignores the other side of the equation of this, that businesses don't want to hire disabled/sick people who are unable to attend the work place, prone to having more days off sick etc. If you don't incentivise them to do so, there's no way there's the jobs for all these people that can be done from the comfort of their homes to their individual needs, and it's unrealistic to expect business to understand how someone's health condition will impact their work.
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So what has been said on ITV tonight won't happen immediately? It's just a green paper? She can't pull something out of the bag and say its coming in soon or anything?
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I believe it's a leak of the green paper.
Politicians often give speeches but stretch the truth and use language that doesn't bear close scrutiny.
They can't bypass the legal process.
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The other bait and switch is migrating everyone to Universal Credit then saying "too many people are signing off ill" further justifying cuts.
We're witnessing a change in the culture of attitudes towards disabled people via the media and political class, they're pushing the narrative that they're either putting it on or getting it too easy on benefits and they're a net negative to the taxpayers. This narrative has been going on for at least 3 years on this intense scale.
This shows how media and political propaganda can sour people against other groups of people. Again if they go after the disabled what makes any of us think that they won't come down on Pensioners? They already cut the WFA for millions of them.
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I'm in LCWRA and cutting, stopping my money, or even putting a gun to my head wont make me magically well enough to work, all cutting or stopping my money will do is plunge me into poverty, make my mental health even worse, and then I will end up starving to death because of not being able to afford food unless suicide gets me first because of not being able to cope.
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Freezing PIP I fully expected, Like the Tories in 2010 dont be surprised its frozen for the rest of this parliament. Timms has got the nerve to sit there and dish out platitudes, Starmer was asked 4 times at the Select committee would people who genuinely unable to work be protected on the 4th time "of course", The guy is hapless he's totally out of touch they have no idea the impact all these price rises have had but more worrying they do not care.
The Toxic Twins of Kendal and Reeves, said previously they are just rolling out the plans Blair had and Ukraine is the decoy, The huge question is now are the Unions finally going to say enough and stop funding them? seeing as the only opinion they take is very wealthy people.
Reform in the last GE had just one page on Welfare.
- If someone's consultant tells the DWP this person will not work ever or the disability is lifelong they will not be bothered further as its a waste of money going after them all the time.
- those with mental health issues only will be offered full support and only if they reject that support will sanctions be in place.
The point being when a party like Reform can see those who are NEVER going to get better
need to be left alone what the heck does it say about Labour?
It feels right now they are so detached from reality when they get hammered in May they will try and suggest its something they expected, they could try dropping the 400 billion Carbon Capture Tech which still has many question marks, they could actually go after the wealthy as they promised instead of buckling because the rich donors kicked off, a tax on Gambling companies. Getting Bloody Brexit sorted which is like an open wound that is causing huge damage to this country.
"Ukraine and Trump have changed everything, Just not enough to actually come out and admit this current shambles with Brexit needs to be sorted. Various MP's like Chris Bryant have been so quiet lately, the same with my MP she barely kept her seat last year.
Its gone from a Maj of 25,000 down to 800. These Policies will be like a bucket of cold sick.
All these reforms are based on a foundation of cuts, so when Timms etc talks about taking groups like Scope with them, no the foundations are already laid. The most Vulnerable will suffer again because like in 2010 the Tories knew the media would report it as being tough on scroungers, I said many times why they are so focused on assisted dying. what do they think stress like this is causing to disabled and people already unwell?
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A lot of it is hypothetical with no basis of reality too. For example I could say I could work if you get me a job that exclusively works from home, and doesn't mind there being several days a month where I'm too sick to work. The reality is though these jobs don't exist, employers don't want to employ these people, and if you go down the road of searching for work on Universal Credit they will have you looking at many jobs that you are not capable of doing. That's where this theory falls part, as the jobs that cater for medical conditions like this are very few and far between, so claiming these people are then to fit to work is very disingenuous.
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It's ridiculous there's no jobs as reeves is shutting business because of her budget. While they get a pay rise next year. What about 19 billion they spending on giving the chagos islands away. And it might sound harsh but we they are spending millions everyday on people rocking up. Be bringing back the workhouse next.
What about echr they defend people what about our rights
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They’ve cancelled the elections in May round here so I can’t even vote them out. Unfortunately it’s crossed my mind with assisted dying that they’d hurry up and roll it out and make me eligible so I don’t have to put up with the pain of poverty. People with treatable mental illness have opted for it in Canada and I can see why now, no help, no empathy from the wider public and cuts from the government to what keeps me alive. Sick and disabled people shouldn’t have to be thinking like that under a labour government it’s deplorable
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My fear ultimately is what has happened in Canada, disabled people who face destitution have chosen that way out so it's basically austerity eugenics isn't it? Looking at how cold and callous the Labour and Tory front bench is I can't help but think such a scenario will happen here.
My question is do Labour and the Tories want that scenario?
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could these cuts end up going through the courts?
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I don't think labour see us as humans & their pushing that narrative via main stream media
I have read a lot of backlash on X & seen certain parts of the press attacking them on the cuts.
Would love to know who would employ me as like many on here i have multiple diagnosis, ive got, 1)M.E 2)F.N.D 3)Fibromylgia 4)Asthma 5) Coeliac 6) D.D.D 7) Osteoarthritis of the spine 8) Osteopenia 9)Cysts in the spine 10)Prolasped discs that keep reacurring 11) damaged shoulders & knees plus gilberts but that does nothing really just pushes bile round my body making me a lovely shade of yellow. Add to that been treated for prediabetes & my depression NOS (whatever that means) & waiting to see if im autistic, got 43 out of 50 on the test i had to do, would of been happy with that score if it wasn't meant to be low for a pass (not autistic)
The brain fog i suffer with makes me forget so much like having the same conversation with my partner 5 times in 30 mins as i dont remember having it.
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What about Echr and our human rights. Surely something could be done
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I think there are people planning to do that
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