March 26th and Green Paper Mega Discussion (ITV leaks, etc)

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  • mac99
    mac99 Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
    edited March 8

    i totally agree with you they should not be targeting anybody especially not sick and disabled people.ive worked for 20 years of my life until i couldn't work anymore because of my illness and if the safety net wasn't there i would have been in real trouble.hopefully these proposals will fall flat in the court rooms.

  • johnron
    johnron Online Community Member Posts: 71 Contributor
    edited March 8

    details of the Government's welfare shake up. Over £6bn saved in total, 5 of which come from making it harder to get Personal Independence Payments, PIP will also be frozen next year so no rise with inflation & overhaul of out of work benefits as well 1/What criteria tighten PIP access?Do reforms match UN disability advice?134373271298K

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    {link removed}·6hIve heard that the Govt is going to increase the basic rate of Universal Credit, but cut the rate for those judged as too unwell or disabled to work. Cost neutral according to sources, to incentivise work BUT 2/1811710540K

  • johnron
    johnron Online Community Member Posts: 71 Contributor
    edited March 8

    so "we" are going to be punished for been disabled? looks like

  • johnron
    johnron Online Community Member Posts: 71 Contributor
    edited March 8
  • ThirtySixteen
    ThirtySixteen Online Community Member Posts: 53 Empowering
    edited March 8

    Can I just point a few things out please. :)


    Firstly, this article was apparently ‘leaked’ to ITV. And it’s ITV.
    We have no idea who accurate or even how true it is.

    Secondly, this will be a green paper and these things can take literally YEARS to implement.


    Unless laws have changed significantly in the last couple of years I don’t believe they can just take lawful benefits off of people.
    As far as I know it will have to go through many courts and have many consultations.

    Thirdly, I really don’t think it will be as bad as folk are fearing. I don’t think they will take LCWRA from everyone.
    I think they’ll be focussing more on the mental health side of things.

    When people were forced to migrate from Tax Credits to UC the law stated that they weren’t allowed to be worse off so the government were forced to implement the transition payment.

    They can’t just take money from families in need.
    It’ll need a LOT of legislation.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing
    edited March 8
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/992886#Comment_992886

    surely itv is a reputable source though ? I read somewhere they are also looking at invisible conditions such as fibromyalgia which I have . As though if it can’t be seen it doesn’t exist.

  • ThirtySixteen
    ThirtySixteen Online Community Member Posts: 53 Empowering
    edited March 8
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/992887#Comment_992887

    Personally I don’t trust any of the mainstream media as far as I can throw them.
    And as I said, I’m pretty sure it’s going to take a hell of a long time for them to even get to the initial phase of implementation.

    And that’s if it even passes legislation.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing
    edited March 8
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/992888#Comment_992888

    I really hope you’re right but I can’t help thinking that this was leaked to see how it goes down with the public before it’s officially released.

  • ThirtySixteen
    ThirtySixteen Online Community Member Posts: 53 Empowering
    edited March 8
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/992891#Comment_992891

    Of course it was. It was a reaction balloon to gauge the amount of outrage.
    These things rarely get ‘leaked’. It’s usually all an elaborate plan to see where the road will take them if they decide to follow through with it.

    No government will risk being the ones who took the livelihood away from disabled people and forced to in to poverty etc… even this bunch of sociopaths in charge now.

    Many green papers get written up but nowhere near as many even make it to the next stage.

  • ased444
    ased444 Online Community Member Posts: 70 Listener
    edited March 8

    Hi

    So my friend has 2 property 1 is his main residence and if his daughter lives in another his property but his daughter is in full time college will he be able to get universal credit in that sitiuation ?

  • evonneo
    evonneo Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
    edited March 8

    FYI what the government IIS NOT legal and will be in CHALLENGED in court. Maybe someone st Scope can reassure people.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing
    edited March 8
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/992894#Comment_992894

    they said 5billion per year from pip and increase in job seekers allowance and cut in lcwra

  • evonneo
    evonneo Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
    edited March 8

    What this government is doing is extremely stupid and dumb and there will be a BIG backlash.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing
    edited March 8

    I hope you’re right but the government tried before with DKA to PIP . It seems very discriminatory to take from one group ( lcwra) to give to another group ( job seekers) . If we are too sick how can they get away with discriminating against us ? I did read conditions such as fibromyalgia will be the next group they will target . Invisible conditions where we don’t look sick enough .

  • ased444
    ased444 Online Community Member Posts: 70 Listener
    edited March 8

    Hi

    My friend has 2 property and if his mother is receiving pension and his mother lives in his second property will he be able to get universal credit? Thanks

  • ThirtySixteen
    ThirtySixteen Online Community Member Posts: 53 Empowering
    edited March 8

    I know it’s worrying and I know this government are renowned for stooping low.

    But I really think we should all try our hardest to ignore the news, ignore social media and just wait and see what is actually announced later this month.

    More times than not we all worry about things that never happen.

    And even if they DO announce the worst, I really don’t think it will get past the courts and legislation. At least not for a long long time.

    I know it’s easier said than done but try not to worry and try to remember that nothing is happening for a good while yet. :)


    Peace.

  • mac99
    mac99 Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
    edited March 8

    looking on twitter there is a big backlash against these proposals and people are threatening legal action.there is a lot of anger to theses proposals and if they try and rush things through it will be crazy as the courts ruled in january that the tories wca plans were rushed so therefore unlawfull.they can't ignore the courts judgment surely.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 129 Empowering
    edited March 8

    If they do cut LCWRA how likely is it going to be a big cut like several hundred. Is it possible that it may only be a much smaller cut like maybe £30 or something?

    If it's several hundred I literally wont survive.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 981 Championing
    edited March 8

    Don't listen to the scaremongering. If your condition has significantly deteriorated, let them know and claim the higher amount.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 129 Empowering
    edited March 8

    Hi, Danny, I'm terrified too because of them picking on mental health as I'm on LCWRA because of mental health issues, depression, anxiety, not being able to cope with regular life, getting easily very mentally distressed, and feeling suicidal.

    There was a time in my life where I wasn't able to leave the house for around 7 years, for me getting a car changed that, but if I lost having a car because of not being able to afford to run it anymore I would become housebound again, that on top of having to deal with noisy neighbours which means I have to wear ear plugs or ear defenders almost 24 hours a day everyday would finish me, even more so if I would be being hounded by an invalidating, gas lighting work coach as well. I also have a little bit of OCD, but it flairs up pretty badly when I get anxious.

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