Censorship on Scope
Where has this thread gone?
It's not great 'stifling' debate, no one likes to be 'criticized' but it's 'factually' correct.
https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/130652/details-of-more-than-6bn-in-welfare-cuts-revealed#latest
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There has been no censorship @rebel11 I've merged all the discussions regarding March 26th and the green paper into one discussion as there were too many all saying the same thing, which is not great for people who are wanting to avoid the discussions for their own mental health.
I've been slowly merging all discussions into this one here and will sticky it shortly.
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in a weird way it is kind of censorship albus
Scope probably is one of the largest uk disability forums online (aka a huge online gathering spot for disabled) and many come on this forum to update themselves with news (not just mainstream media but other specialist disability news sites)
It’s starting to appear more and more vital that disabled ppl have online spaces to gather and be able to discuss things with as many ppl as possible
Those threads you are absorbing had titles which were obvious where to go to discuss the recent itv leaks
Now there is no obvious place and intended or not that makes it harder to find the right thread where everyone knows to discuss it
I know that for legal reasons scope will not want members discussing certain things (there really needs to be a safe online space outside of scope for those of us that want to be more proactive that scope is okay with members redirecting - there’s a few emails I’m contemplating sending out but off topic)
Can I make a suggestion albus on your comment on protecting members mental health
Could scope create a new sub forum topic area for sensitive subjects (with a trigger warning disclaimer sticky thread - read before posting type thing) or even an invite only area (locking the area to those who haven’t had an invite request accepted)
Scope curbing of conversations to protect a numbers mental health is limiting discussion on what action/response to gov is possible at a time we really need to be talking to others
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Hey @apple85 thanks for your feedback, it's really appreciated. The discussion is pinned and has a new title, in my eyes that's made it easier to find for people who want to discuss the potential changes. Though if the subject line is too vague, I'm open to other ideas. 😊
We of course want people to be able to speak about things, but we also need to balance that with other people looking for help and we don't want to miss anyone.
With regard to the new category for sensitive topics, it is something which we're still discussing. But there's a lot of thought that needs to go into such a change, with plenty of check, balances and safeguarding concerns to take into account. But it is something we're looking into.
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I used to be a long time regular member here. but those scaremongering threads just made me not want to come to this forum anymore, for the past year or so this forum has been belated with news articles about reforming benefits. These threads are only helpful if they contain correct information in which most if not all don't. They are harmful and causing alot of distress to members and making people leave or not want to visit here.
I think putting them all in one thread is the correct thing to do, it stops the forum from having these everywhere especially away from members who don't want to view them. I for one am all for this idea, as I only want to know things that are going to 100% happen and set in stone, rather than worrying to death about it before knowing for certain.
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Sorry to hear that @rubin16 I know you're missed by everyone, so it's nice to see you posting. I hope we can keep the community a safe space for everyone.
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if this thread is about the politics of politic threads should it not be on the same thread of politics i have to agree with rubin its every other thread of late
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I don’t like scaremongering (when it’s based on things leaning towards rumour with source rather than a leak with clout)
But at the same time I don’t agree with sugar coating, burying head in sand or denial of fact
The thing is we don’t actually have that many members with a thorough knowledge of political process (I’ve done a lot reading on the topic the past couple of years and it’s complex as hell) and many of us on this forum have at one point been guilty of typing personal opinion as factual
I’ve been doing some reading up on some of the things kimmay? has mention in their post the last few days as that member seems to have more knowledge on political process than the average scope process
I think I’m starting to get a better understanding of the current situation in terms of fact and well known gov/minister positions (and yes a few educated guesstimates made up of observations and how fit in with political process)
I’d like to start a new thread later tonight based on reading up on processes in politics (as many undisputed facts as possible)
I think the itv news story last night (that got televised on prime time itv news by the sounds of things) has shaken up and thrown ppl as the prime time timing and status of itv as a news source doesn’t lean towards ‘rumour’ but this looks like a legit leak from someone within dwp/treasury or possibly a testing of the waters/opportunity to get public opinion
As I said I’ll expand and post more later but I think it’s vital that as many of the disabled community has an understanding of the situation as possible (I’m not saying I have, I’m not sure anyone has - knowledge is power and it probably aids dwp ministers that the disabled community don’t have full understanding of the situation and not know what rights we have in the uk and what response/actions are available
There’s official confirmation (an official gov announcement of a policy) and official confirmation (when a policy gets fully agreed on/made law/start date of policy announced and enacted)
Now the former definition of ‘official confirmation’ we are expecting within the next weeks via reeves spring statement on 27th march and kendalls dwp green paper expected before then
The latter definition won’t happen for a while yet (we are talking at least a few months if not years)
So there is a ‘middle stage’ of a unknown period of time between these 2 definitions - my personal opinion is the disabled population can’t afford for policy changes to be officially ‘penned in’, and the moment we confirm the officially ‘pencilled in’ dwp as many disabled ppl as possible need to act proactively as we don’t actually know how much time between things getting pencilled in and penned in (although I have an personal educated guess)
I have to go and do something now for the rest of the day but I will be back
(Though the first step of getting everyone on the same page, similar thought process on scope may just be impossible…….lots of us are very stubborn & set in ways)
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Thank you for implementing my suggestion, the change makes a lot of sense, better than seeing recent discussions flooded with negative threads.
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I agree.
It was getting too much with so many different threads about the same issues.
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I'm very glad the threads have been condensed into one.
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Apologies to Albus_Scope for jumping the gun.
If you read @apple85 post especially the bit 'So there is a 'middle stage' etc.
That is where I am, makes so much sense, we need to be 'Pro-active and not re-active'.
A lot of disable people are 'drained' of energy because they are literally fighting everyday with their illnesses. I am, but can 'muster' the energy. I wrote to the European Commision of Human Rights, when the Conservatives did their Austerity thing against 'Disabled' people.
Labour can't speak about Human Rights when it suits them and ignore it when it suits them.
That is 'Hypocrisy'.
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I created a new topic thread here:
(It be great to get some input and opinion - I know some scope members think I’m a bit mad and ocd (I admit it I am) but do take a lot of time observing and researching and hope at least a few view me as s somewhat thoughtful poster……..that types far too much😅)
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I don't mind posts that are actually informative and helpful, and we need to be proactive with them. Those sorts of posts are needed here, however my post above more relates to the constant news articles that have been posted for the past year or so by various members, in which none of it became fact or came to light. It was getting to a point where the whole forum was just full of it and just made people avoid the forum.
So in my view, information that is actually credable is needed, especially ones where we need to take action on. But just spreading news articles or rumours isn't helpful at all and is doing more harm than good. But thats my own opinion, the forum was just getting annoying with the click baiting titles and you'd click on it and it was another scaremongering post. Just needs to be some sort of middle ground with it.
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Rubin, I completely understand where you're coming from. Personally, I’ve only ever shared links to recently released statements from the DWP press office in the forum, never media or newspaper articles. I prefer to rely on official government sources for information. That said, I can understand why some members share unconfirmed stories. I think they’re often looking for reassurance and solidarity with others during these very uncertain worrying times.
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Regardless of what we know or don't know, we need to be 'pro-active', have a stated position and stick to it. History tell's us bad things happen if we do nothing, so many examples. We sleep walk into it, live through it, etc then think we should have done 'something'.
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I disagree with you. All kinds of rumors spread by the authorities through the media are part of the information war with the population. And this cannot be ignored and must be taken into account when analyzing. Ignoring the facts of rumors is harmful for understanding the events that are taking place.
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