DWP reform - where we are now (on 8/3/25) & possible steps once gov makes official announcement

(message to the scope mods - I know there’s a lot of threads right on the news & rumour onslaught from the media for the past 6 months (those of us who have been following things closely have had their MH totally trashed as a result and even well known disability journalists and activists on social media are reminding online time outs for health reasons) however the official ‘facts’ and ‘political processes on gov policy are getting somewhat buried on other threads so after doing a lot of reading up I thought I’d post. I hope mods will see the intent of this separate thread and not merge with a master thread or at least not straight away)
Also I will not be posting any media articles (unless they have/are the original source of confirmed direct quotes from named gov ministers and if possible include a video link) and will only post announcements from gov sources - I hope that gets respected
(I may beliefly mention yesterdays itv story but not anything to do with the content bullet points
so where are we as of Thursday 8th March 2025:
In brief this labour government has made no official announcements on welfare reform as of yet (they’ve just confirmed its on the agenda but given no major details)
(Though the juries out on whether mps/civil servants are behind the avalanche of rumours and negative opinion pieces by newspapers and channel - presumably (the common theory going around - not proven fact) the gov is trying to control the narrative & persuade the nation that reducing welfare & number of ppl out of work is in the countries best interest (I won’t type the gov ‘strategy’ in achieving this consensus) - the only thing that’s certain is these media stories have had an ongoing negative affect on disabled ppl mental well-being aid I mentioned before)
in theory the disabled community is waiting for 2 separate official gov announcements:
- First official gov announcement (introduction of new gov policy ‘ideas’ in terms of welfare reforms)
- Second Official gov announcement (confirmation that welfare reforms in their finalised form will be made law and a date given to when this official happens)
now we have not as yet had any official gov announcement introducing welfare reform policy details (aka what the gov would like to implement in an ideal world where objections & challenges don’t exist) but we are 95%+ sure that the spring statement from the treasury (27th March) and the upcoming launch of the disability green paper (almost certainly within the next 18 days) will act as the (1st) official gov announcement the community has been waiting upon (disabled community can’t actually take any action until they they get ‘corporeal’ details on dwp initial (1st draft) plans) - I’ll call this the pencilled in stage (aka plans can be subjected to change)
The official 2nd gov announcement is at least weeks after the above announcement and at most many years off and whatever welform reform details are decided on (via government bills and legislation, consultations, focus groups certainly but there are other things that could influence any welfare reforms final form which I’ll go into later) but this is the point when welfare reforms in their final form are penned in, rubber stamped and we reach the date it all becomes law and implemented
Between these 2 announcements as I said above will be a time gap of anywhere from many weeks to many months (I don’t think reeves will need legislation to freeze benefit award amounts and not increase them with yearly inflation - she didn’t have to do so with the upcoming lha housing benefit freeze - however the other rumours would almost certainly need legislation……….however with a 150 odd majority I imagine bills will progress faster than the previous Tory gov - note this is my own educated guess rather than fact I can 100% prove)
This time gap will be the best opportunity to water down or change labour/dwp plans before being officially implemented (and post royal assent changes become a much more time consuming uphill struggle) - the best strategy is always prevention!
Things that could have an impact on the details of any welfare reform during this ‘time gap’ can include but not be solely exclusive of:
- mp/backbencher rebellion on policy (esp embarrassing for gov if ministers speak out
- Large scale public backlash
- Public protests/campaigns against prospective policy (media/disability charities & organisations/mp backing can make or break this strategy)
- Legal challenges/class action suits against dwp security of state/government (most likely from human rights groups or disability activist organisations) - I’ll talk about this more in a future post (I’m not sure that tribunals/upper tribunals can come into play before a policy is implemented)
now in terms of predicting the time gap between initial announcement (1st draft policy) and implemented final draft legislation the fact is it is a ‘how long is a piece of string’ situation
A few on this forum have pointed out definitions of white papers versus green papers - “Green Papers gather feedback on changes to policy whilst White Papers outline legislative proposals or draft Bills” so the upcoming disability green paper marks the start of a process with many stages that can’t be done overnight. However one point that no one’s mentioned is “A 'green paper' is often, but not always, followed by a 'white paper' on the same subject as the ideas are firmed up.”
(Easy read version here -
- to summarise policy changes and alterations that require green/white papers often take a long time beginning to end, potentially years) - just a note, we did already have a ‘get Britain working’ white paper last year so it’s possible that the gov may be able to update some uc claimant commitments straight away…….however in terms of award amounts and tightening of criteria I’m 99% sure gov can’t implement those changes before the start of the next financial year in April and it will almost certainly go under some form of time consuming parliamentary scrutiny.
However (and this is based on personal observations rather than official confirmation) the flipside is that labour has a max of 4yr4mths of their first term in charge with no guarantees of a second term, we all know the uk is in a financial mess with new black holes appearing regularly and Rachel reeves is desperate to ‘balance the books’. Reeves will want to avoid public backlash and also keep city figures happy (and considering the media onslaught of negative welfare & disability pieces the last few month my personal educated guess is reeves has decided that redirecting some welfare money will have the least ‘political consequence’ to labour. The thing is reeves does not have years to get significant savings (£3-6billion by the end of this Parliament in 2029 going by what I’ve read - we should get a treasury doc with actual figures on the 27th) - she needs policy/legislation to pass asap and lucky for her she has a 150 majority (on paper) to speed things along.
With all this in mind I think that reeves and Kendall will want any required legislation completed by the start of the 2026/27 financial year in April - imo this is more than possible if they encounter no meaningful challenges from mps, media or legally
Hence it’s of upmost importance that every disabled person finds a way to be proactive in watering down/binning & changing any policy/bill officially introduced & announced by reeves on the 27th spring statement or the disability green paper that is realised in the next 18 days
apologies for length
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quick comment about the itv news story yesterday (ignoring content of story):
Itv are probably just below bbc and sky in terms of reputable news channels (remember itv broke partygate story with their investigative journalism - they as a news organisation have clout) - they most likely have direct access to many reputable gov sources…………I agree with those thinking this may be an official leak from upcoming government announcements in March (however, though less likely I also agree with those thinking it may be the gov testing the water of public opinion and documents may not be 100% finalised)
What interested me was the timing
This story dropped on a Friday and I believe covered on the itv prime time 7pm news on tv (one of the largest new audiences of the week) - whoever was the itv source in this story they wanted high exposure and to reach as many of the public as possible but why? What social group in society were they trying to alert? (Purpose to appeal to reform voters or even a ‘whistleblower’ giving disabled fair warning so time to organise meaningful backlash? - honestly I’m stumped)
Also reeves spring statement is almost 3 weeks away, far too early for a leak like this (compared to mere rumor) - I’m wondering if the disability green paper is dropping next week, hence a prime time end of week televised spot for this potential leak………………I can’t see the purpose of a planned gov leak if the green paper is still 2 weeks off
It’s a very weird situation imo and I feel like I’m ’missing something hidden in plain view’
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iv'e seen many papers and news outlets saying the green paper is coming in days so probably next wednesday.
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Thanks So much apple.....I fully agree and can't help but feel the same that there is 'something I'm missing'.
Either way, we must all stick together and make our voices heard, I'm claiming pip and esa/uc for being physically disabled but the last few months of ' discriminatory articles and scare tactics' have affected my mental health severely.
The way Labour have behaved is unforgivable.
I'm a lifelong labour voter.....but I will never vote them again.
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I too am a lifelong labour voter and will never vote for them again.
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I was a lifelong Labour supporter too, and I will never, ever, vote for them again.
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I was a lifelong Labour supporter too, but I didn't vote for them in the last GE, as I saw the writing on the wall through Keir Starmer. Instead, I voted for the Greens just for the sake of not voting for Keir Starmer's Labour.
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I never voted for Liebour!
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Already, Labour MP's are 'uncomfortable' with the prospects of Austerity II, if it happens.
So this maybe an uphill struggle for the Government, with MP's rebelling, losing the 'whip' etc.
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I emailed starmer while he was going round the country during elections about how unfairly disabled people were treated under the tories.His response was disabled people should be treated with dignity. What a load of poo , comes from him.He is ruthless. My brother said that about him. He only cares about Europe or abroad. Not us.
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can I just add a comment as the original poster of this thread:
I know a lot of members are upset with labour now but I’ve noticed a number of threads on scope are being flooded with ‘I’ll never vote labour again’ posts
I know people want to vent their frustrations but there are more suitable threads on scope to do so.
My aim is to make this thread a place of pro-active conversation on what actions individuals can take (once an official announcement actually happens and we have an idea of our priorities) - you could argue that protest voting is a valid tactic for the community to take
However the next general election isn’t till 2029 (and local elections put back - though compared to ge’s these give parties no more than a minor warning…….which politicians often ignore) - doing nothing till 2029 would be wasting valuable time so talk of voting strategy for next general though important is not a priority
Also if we learnt anything from the last Tory government there’s no guarantee a party leader and cabinet that was voted in at the GE will be in their same position 4-5 years later for the next GE. Even though ousting a leader is not someone parties like to do it is possible labour backbenchers could try to oust starmer nearer to 2029. Firing cabinet ministers such as Kendall and even reeves is a much simpler process. Let’s be honest, if starmer was replaced by say a John McDonnell type figure than labour would become a valid disabled vote
Also starmers policies and politics have done a 180 since his campaign as labour leader 4-5yrs back - there’s a small chance he could go full circle in a couple of years if it becomes clear to him that labour hasn’t been successful attracting potential reform voter and they need to quickly rebuilt the traditional labour voter base (which they are losing at a alarming rate and labour higher ups are in denial of this currently)
Point is it is far too early for statements like “I’ll never vote labour again”
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Sorry do you mean they will want legislation complete by next April? And can you guess roughly how long it will be before that legislation is implemented? I'm 63 this year and really struggling with all of this, cannot possibly work due to social isolation/other things. I was told by the time all the legislation was implemented, they will probably give me a pass due to my age etc. So due to the complex nature of all of this legislation, do you think it will take longer to implement?
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I want to redraw attention back to this part of my original post on this thread:
Things that could have an impact on the details of any welfare reform during this ‘time gap’ can include but not be solely exclusive of:
- mp/backbencher rebellion on policy (esp embarrassing for gov if ministers speak out
- Large scale public backlash
- Public protests/campaigns against prospective policy (media/disability charities & organisations/mp backing can make or break this strategy)
- Legal challenges/class action suits against dwp security of state/government (most likely from human rights groups or disability activist organisations) - I’ll talk about this more in a future post (I’m not sure that tribunals/upper tribunals can come into play before a policy is implemented)
a couple of scope members asked me a few months back if I had a any ideas of how disabled could be proactive in their disability activism (keyboard based and physical) but stayed quiet at the time (I’m a behind the scenes person, not a leader - even if I wanted to be I don’t really inspire the scope masses) - but I’ve been observing and researching for months and I do actually have a few ideas and thoughts on the bullet points aboveOnce we have the official announcement on the green paper & spring statement (and details of labours plan become clear and we can identity what our community need to challenge) there may be a couple of ideas I can start putting in motion however I most likely can’t do it alone and I’ll most likely need the help of similar thinking scope members and general forum interest in any undertaken projects (I don’t want to use up hours and hours on something that will be ignored both by scope members and outside disabled community - I’m aiming to do something with significance)
the thing is that the scope forum is more a place for disability advice and support……..not really a place to discuss possible activism (however the big disability activism organisations don’t actually have forums and want their members to be more physically visibly active in their activism - and many disabled for obvious reasons are protective of their identity and also limited to keyboard activism)The disabled community biggest issue right now is ‘gathering on mass’ to discuss community wise strategies to deal with labour plans once officially revealed - the saying ‘divide and conquer’ is ideal for ministers whereas ‘strength in numbers’ (with millions of disabled ppl, carers and loved ones working together is a massive political headache.
I know scope will stop details of a lawsuit being talked about for legal reasons (if the person(s) who launched the said lawsuit discusses specifics on scope forum) but I’m not sure what else scope would have issues with being discussed in both open posts and even private messages - prehaps a scope moderator would be open to a conversation via this thread on this thread or pm so I can run by any ‘ideas evolving to plans’ and check it’s okay to reveal/discuss on scope forums (I’ve talked to @Albus_Scope and @jimm_scope a lot in the past)I don’t think a charity like scope would even consider action such as a legal case as the action they favour is talking to and having direct access to ministers (and make direct in person pleas and arguing of one’s case) - scope taking gov to court would be counterproductive to their own tactics………but surely they would admit that having tea and biscuits with a dwp minister will in no way be enough to trigger concessions & u turn alone
It’s frustrating disability charities, organisations, activists and journalists don’t work together more and it’s essential (because of there ability to reach multiple disabled individuals) that that changes
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Labour have been a complete disappointment, they've hoodwinked and blindsided their membership and voting base.
The Party is run by an invertebrate charisma vacuum who flip flops on everything and has no real political beliefs, one minute it's social justice, the next is a Blair tribute act, one minute it's disability rights the next is pushing Kim Leadbeater's assisted bill whilst trying to demonise Disabled people at the same time and yes I see the correlation.
I thought Labour would be the least worst at the last election, they said the right things, yes benefits needs reform but disabled people needed to be treated with dignity not demonised in the Right leaning press who clearly hate disabled people with a passion, the thing is Labour has been leaking their plans to the Right leaning press, that tells you right there.
The Right leaning press has been "othering" disabled people since Covid's height abated in 2022, it's an intense propaganda effort demonising disabled people.
Labour didn't really "win" last year, the Tories lost because they've became a detested joke, who truly won were Lib Dems, Reform, Greens and Independents and in 2029 more people will be voting for those 4 groups/parties.
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let me reiterate this as a personal guess by myself, not a confirmed timetable from the gov (not fact)
Things like this (that use green and white papers) can take years to complete
However reeves has made clear the treasury needs billions asap and has indicated welfare as being her main source of funds (she’s not said this bluntly but reading between the lines clearly indicates this) and if rumors are to be believed she needs £5-6bil savings from the welfare bill before labours first term is up in 2029 - my guesstimate is she’ll need to spread these savings across around 3 years, hence my April 2026 start date on welfare cuts and freezes
Of course that April 2026 target date is only possible if the gov gets no (or very little opposition) pushback or opposition to this policy
You just need to look back at the Tory gov Rwanda bill to see that opposing mps, lords, campaigners and lawsuits can slow down or even totally tie up policy before it becomes law and can even be paused/delayed before the official implementation date is reached
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Also to add for those of you over the age of 60:
You’ll at least be 64 by the next election and a max of 4 years away from state pension (all parties know that means testing or axing state pension will be party suicide plus may trigger riots so I doubt it will be touched this decade) - you’re main age group priority is just to make it through and prioritise having a pip award in place when you officially reach state pension age
reeves and Kendall have already stated the under 26’s is their initial targetThe dwp will have limited resources - it would be daft on paper for dwp to prioritise the over 60’s (and even over 50’s which is the first real decade of age related illness and disability
It’s the 26-49 age group that’s the most unpredictable right now in term of how possible reforms will affect them imo (I’m turning 40 this year and excuse my analogy but have no clue if Kendall and co/dwp view me as ‘lamb’ or ‘mutton’ in terms of getting disabled into work priority group - a lot may come down to how the dwp ‘rank’ how disabling each condition is going forward)
it’s different to solidify any strategies till the disability green paper and treasury spring statement are released within the next 18 days1 -
Apple85, your post is clearly had a lot of effort put into it, but I dont like the idea of a million of these threads again, so my suggestion if @Albus_Scope will consider it is old threads are locked, and so there is only the newest 1-2 threads open at the same time? This still prevents recent discussions being flooded.
On the subject at hand, I am actually not surprised with what is happening, the signs were there pre election. Reeves and Kendall also both have undesirable history on it, Kendall getting moved last minute before election was a huge warning sign, you have previous Labour governance, they introduced both LHA and ESA over more generous older benefits.
Kendall refusing to confirm a risk assessment was carried out in a recorded BBC interview, should be an easy legal victory, the issue is getting the legal challenge carried out. I am also preparing my own legal challenge on how I have been treated on UC, I think the DWP are blatantly disregarding legislation at this point. I think they feel they have a licence to for the greater good of the mission. It is a bit like when Trump saying he is is the law as if he thinks he is above it because he is now in governance.I know people dont like hearing it, but a big reason that every recent government has targeted the sick and disabled for cuts time and time again, is its an easy target, no organised resistance. The idea of just waiting because its speculation, not announced yet that sort of thing.
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I understand your views but the master combined are moving at such pace (and actually covering multiple topics) that posts like mine would most likely go lost and unread - perhaps a selfish viewpoint on my part but as you said I do put a lot of effect in my posts
I’ve already made a point in discouraging the ‘never vote labour again’ posts and have stated that I want to try and limit posted links (and accompanying discussion) to official gov website statements and direct mp quotes (from original source) for the most parts (aka this is not the best thread for rumors and unverified leaks)
@worried33 I think you’ve been a scope member for a number of years like myself, and im very aware of the many duplicate new threads that drops when ‘big news’ happens - this thread is not based on that itv piece (I mentioned it in a post here yes but didn’t comment on the details, just timing of the new piece drop)
Obviously scope moderators have the final say and I hope that they’d reach out for a convo if they did decide to lock it but I am trying to create a thread that is not in the ‘opinion on latest rumor’ threads category which we do get a lot of duplicates and mods will give me a little time to differentiate
If I can’t manage that I’ll put in your above request with the mods myself
and yes I’ve shared your opinion on your last paragraph for years (amazing how many ppl can’t see the obvious in terms of this particular gov strategy - it’s a tail as old as time fgs!Also be very interested in hearing more on your legal challenge once it progresses (you may need to pm me as I’m not sure mods would like that particular discussion take place) - I’m in the middle of managed migration and honestly uc staff need to ‘get their s*** together’ with the multiple hiccups - when did you migrate over to uc?
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I ompletely agree with what you have said Jason.
I am not one of these people saying " I will never vote Liebour again"
I never voted them in the first place.
They are the most dispicable party, not just towards the disabled community but also the elderly and anyone in general who disagrees with them.
Goodness knows how on earth we will survive under their remaining dictatorship.
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Here are some resources that I found on Twitter to help out . Remember what the government is doing is illegal and I hope that Scope is going to work with other disabled charities to form some coalition. https://x.com/LuxMeaMundiAM/status/1898146755847323778?t=BpgXRhedklJzWz2j2Po9rA&s=19
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