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also look into ‘labour together’ - many mps that helped build that now thinktank are now in plum minister jobs and like Cummings was to Boris, Morgan mcsweeney is in a puppet master role and anyone familiar with the ‘yes minister’ old comedy knows the pm is not the most powerful person in gov
Starmer was picked to be the face of this labour gov (rather than pm job credentials if you get my meaning) but I don’t think he was ever an actual member of ‘labour together (not like reeves was) and I do think someone else is writing the script then handing them to starmer
(I just can’t decide if starmer is actively collaborating in all these plans or just reading from the script - he may see mcsweeney as the reason for his huge majority and that’s a good enough reason to continue going alone with things)0 -
From "The Observer"
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Downing Street considers U-turn on cuts to benefits for disabled peopleControversial plans to cut personal independence payments (Pip) may be shelved after a tense cabinet meeting and backlash from Labour MPs
Toby Helm , Political editor, James TapperSat 15 Mar 2025 19.30 GMTShare
Ministers have left the door open to a humiliating U-turn on their highly contentious plans to cut benefits for disabled people, amid mounting uproar over the proposals across the Labour party.
Both Downing Street and the Department for Work and Pensions did not deny they were about to backtrack on plans to impose a real-terms cut to the personal independence payment (Pip) for disabled people, including those who cannot work, by cancelling an inflation-linked rise due to come into force next spring.
The plans had been earmarked for inclusion in a green paper scheduled to be published on Tuesday and had been one of several elements of a wider package of welfare cuts designed to save between £5bn and £6bn on the ballooning benefits bill.
Ministers, who are facing the wrath of Labour MPs and peers over the plans, are understood to have taken fright after being accused in meetings with MPs of planning measures rejected as unfair even by former Tory chancellor George Osborne during the Conservative years of austerity.
In his Political Currency podcast last week with former Labour shadow chancellor Ed Balls, Osborne said: “I didn’t freeze Pip. I thought [it] would not be regarded as very fair. What I did try to do was reform Pip.”
Balls, who is married to the home secretary, Yvette Cooper, infuriated Downing Street by saying on the same podcast that the plan would not work if its aim was to get more people back into work, adding that “it’s not a Labour thing to do”.
At a tense cabinet meeting last Tuesday, several serving members raised their concerns about how the Labour government would be viewed if it froze Pip payments and made it more difficult to receive them.
Any plan to freeze Pip or change eligibility rules would require primary legislation, running the risk that they could become the focus of a sizeable Labour rebellion in the House of Commons and also the Lords.
Several Labour MPs have made clear to the Observer that they could not support the plans in any parliamentary vote.
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Work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall said protecting people in need was a principle Labour would not compromise on. Photograph: Wiktor Szymanowicz/REX/Shutterstock
Speaking to the Observer, Liz Kendall, the work and pensions secretary, insisted that Labour was sympathetic to those unable to work because of disability.
She said: “I know as a constituency MP for 14 long years under the Tories that there will always be some people who cannot work because of the severity of their disability or health condition. Protecting people in genuine need is a principle Labour will never compromise on.”
But she also insisted that the system badly needed reform to ensure that people did not spend a lifetime on benefits and to prevent the overall benefits bill from soaring even higher.
“Being trapped on benefits if you can work is terrible for people’s living standards, health and opportunities,” Kendall said.
She added: “It’s terrible for the country too as spending on the costs of failure soar. The sickness and disability bill for working age people has increased by £20bn since the pandemic, with a further £18bn rise to £70bn projected over the next five years.
We must fix this broken system for the people who depend on it and the country as a whole.”
In a further measure to placate furious Labour MPs, sources said Kendall would move to legislate to create “a right to try” guarantee to ensure sick and disabled people could take a job safe in the knowledge that they would not be forced to undergo a new re-assessment and the possibility of losing their benefits as a result.
One million people would see their benefits reduced under the government’s proposed reforms, according to the Times.
Ministers are said to be examining changing eligibility for Pip in such as way that it would not be available for people who need someone else to help them wash below the waist, or need to be reminded to go to the toilet to prevent them having an accident.
The new rules would, in effect, mean that only the most severely disabled would receive Pip, while those with mental health conditions would not.
Ministers are also planning to scrap the work capability assessment, which is used to decide if people receiving universal credit are fit for work.
It is separate from Pip, which is intended to help cover the extra costs of being disabled, whether or not they can work.
About 4.8 million people receive Pip or the benefit it was designed to replace, the disability living allowance.
Campaigners say the problem facing disabled people is that even those who are desperate to return to the workforce find they cannot cope, or employers are not willing to accommodate them.
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Former shadow chancellor Ed Balls criticised the proposed welfare cuts for disabled people as ‘not a Labour thing to do’. Photograph: Ken McKay/ITV/REX/Shutterstock
A government programme that supported 286,000 disabled people over the past seven years who wanted to find work was only able to secure jobs for one in five.
Anna Stevenson, a benefits expert at the disability charity Turn2us, said: “These were people who, although they were unwell, thought they were probably well enough to work and really keen to work.”
Stevenson said that if the government was serious about helping more disabled people into work, it needed to change employment law.
“If you want very high employment among disabled people, one of the things you need to change is how easy it is for employers to fire people when they’re ill.
“But that has the potential to distort the labour market. There are always trade-offs.”
In the 1970s, employers would put workers on “light duties” if they were unable to do harder, physical jobs, but that practice has all but vanished, leaving disabled people to rely on the state instead.
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With respect, you may be reading more into this than is actually there. Ultimately, these are fairly clueless party hacks with little experience of anything beyond their own narrow world. Hence their outsourcing of so much to Mr McSweeney - Labour's version of Dom Cummings.
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I hope this is true . Is the observer a reputable paper ?
technically they wouldn’t be forced into a humiliating u-turn as they’ve never said the leaks were true . Maybe that’s why it was leaked , to test the reaction then deny certain parts were ever going to happen?1 -
First post, it is a rant - apologies in advance, I've been drinking…
All this talk of "making people work" brings to mind another group which had the same idea, and a "slogan" for it: "arbeit macht frei".
I'm autistic and have various other mental health issues, have been sectioned and have tried multiple times to commit suicide - what the govt is now doing is pure sadism - keeping all this in the news without telling us what they intend to do. When the rumours of them altering the ISA rate come out they made a statement saying they weren't going to - nothing for us tho. Oh, to have enough money to be able to save any of it.
Having just been forced through the "managed migration" **** I'd finally thought that things were going to settle down - now this. Having had to deal with the stress of that I figured I'd try to claim PIP too (too much stress to deal with it whilst everything was just "chugging along" on ESA support group) - guess that's now out of the window and will have to try to find work.
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I lived through the tories screwing us - being forced to move due to the HB changes. I even used to be a Labour member. At lease the tories had the honesty to tell us to our faces whilst sticking the knife in, they didn't stick it in out back and try to tell us it was "for our own good".
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This is "The Guardian - The Observer":
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I think Timms should be told that as disabled minister he has done nothing for us. That if people are talking about ending it, then it's on their responsibility.
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so it’s from the guardian not the observer ? Is the guardian trustworthy. I keep pressing on the links and they just pop up a pic of starmers face which is the last thing I want to see .
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The observer is part of the Guardian. And yes it's a reputable source.
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so will lcwra changes happen straight away as I saw they are going to cut it same with pip
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The Guardian is trustworthy. I’d say probably one of the most trustworthy papers.
Your last sentence made me laugh, so thank you for that given the circumstances. I’m sick of seeing his face every time I open twitter. Him or Reeves smugly smirking in every photo2 -
I hope it’s true . We need some good news
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Hi mate I get where your at, please try to be positive, we are all in the same boat , and we all have to cross the river, when we know exactly what river we need to cross, I think this labour government has got to be the most unpopular ever, in just their first year running the country, I am 51 and can't think of anyone more unpopular than starmer , Reeves and kendell
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I’ve watched enough true crime to know a psychopath when I see one but never so many in one group of people
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And I think if there was a general election tomorrow,they be obliterated, but for some reason there narcissistic behaviour they don't see it
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Wasn’t that what was leaked earlier, that the criteria will change so only the mist disabled are eligible?
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anyone going to reply about lcwra will the money get cut or stopped like they are trying to do with pip
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That's something I've thought too. Never before have I come across a government only in for a few months and I'm already convinced they cannot win the next election. Whether it's held in 2029 or next Thursday, the opening days have been so catastrophic with regard their own vote, that any recovery seems impossible.
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Hi , no one knows anything for sure yet . We can only hope things won’t be as bad as we’re expecting.
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no media are trustworthy , that’s why they are publishing leaks from the government and will get paid to do so. All I can say to everyone, is ignore the news and wait for the official announcement.
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