Heads up - new sickness/disability benefit changes may be announced this week

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woodbine said:

You lost the argument when I saw the bit about immigrants, most by the way are asylum seekers I detest racism in all its forms and have reported your post for its content.

Was that aimed at me?

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@happyfella I have merged your comment over to this thread for you. Although reports are so far correct about the government spending £6 million. I hadn't heard about the 90% figure or did I miss-read and that is your opinion of the migrants coming over? If there is a figure can you post it here as I haven't seen that one.A lot of people will have thoughts on how government money should be spent. And from your comment you know that there are a lot of people who are fleeing war torn countries, persecutions for being part of the LGBTQ+ community or even for speaking against their government. And that they need asylum. I think it's a well known social actuality that the media like to vilify certain groups in different situations. An example would be how the disability community is represented in articles with words like "scroungers" and "lazy". Scope researched the attitudes towards disabled people and found 42% of those attitudes come from the public. Please read the comment above from @Community_Scope and be mindful of the sources of information you find There are articles out there that are published just to be inflammatory. 

Ralph

Setting one minority community against another is playing into the Government’s hands. I too am disgusted at some comments on this thread.

happyfella

Hannah_Scope said:

@happyfella I have merged your comment over to this thread for you. Although reports are so far correct about the government spending £6 million. I hadn't heard about the 90% figure or did I miss-read and that is your opinion of the migrants coming over? If there is a figure can you post it here as I haven't seen that one.A lot of people will have thoughts on how government money should be spent. And from your comment you know that there are a lot of people who are fleeing war torn countries, persecutions for being part of the LGBTQ+ community or even for speaking against their government. And that they need asylum. I think it's a well known social actuality that the media like to vilify certain groups in different situations. An example would be how the disability community is represented in articles with words like "scroungers" and "lazy". Scope researched the attitudes towards disabled people and found 42% of those attitudes come from the public. Please read the comment above from @Community_Scope and be mindful of the sources of information you find There are articles out there that are published just to be inflammatory. 

Hannah_Alumni

@apple85 Oh I have a few ideas about how to get rid of dodgy ministers and MPs

Although they could push a reform, it won't help their popularity so I personally don't see it happening. But I can see where you are 50/50 and the worry that brings for so many people. 

I still think things like disability benefits need to be taken off the political agenda. Having a committee that gives some stability to those claiming and less fear mongering with every political announcement would be life changing. 

apple85

woodbine, happyfella and Ralph 

I have several things (not all the same) I want to say to each but I think it’s best for the most part.

all 3 of you have reminded me why I hide myself and enhanced a reason why these reforms won’t work if they are indeed solely to ‘help’ (and not a sole cost saving exercise) that even the likes of suella braverman and sunak have a good chance of understanding.

happyfella

apple85 said:

woodbine, happyfella and Ralph 

I have several things (not all the same) I want to say to each but I think it’s best for the most part.

all 3 of you have reminded me why I hide myself and enhanced a reason why these reforms won’t work if they are indeed solely to ‘help’ (and not a sole cost saving exercise) that even the likes of suella braverman and sunak have a good chance of understanding.

well i feel like i am being robbed. I worked all my life and now i am seeing more than £6million a day housing migrants when that money could be used to improve the NHS and to help pensioners and those with disabilities. The Government says they have no money but they are more than happy to waste £6 million a day.

That is our money. Would you like one of your neighbours to come to you are take some of your money because that is what it is like.

You have your opinion and i have mine. These people are coming from France which is a safe country. They are coming here because we are an easy target and we silly enough say come on then abuse our benefit system. but no one mentions that. No one questions why they are coming from a safe country to ours and the answer is simple, the french will not give them what we give them.

Real people at risk, then i agree they need help but why is it always the UK who offers that help. France will not help them like us. We are fools simple as.

judie

What about the migrants who  are pensioners and/or disabled?Any compassion for them?

happyfella

if you look at the official government figures, most of the people coming over are men and young men at that. Again my question is, why come from france which is a safe country to our country and the answer is because of what we give them. we welcome them with open arms and give them benefits. They have even said that themselves on camera and in a recent interview with the media. One even filmed his journey over and his hotel. 

France doesnt want them, so no matter how much we waste on paying the french to stop them crossing over, they still come and that is because of our benefit system. So why is the government taking it out on disabled people when they are more than happy to waste taxpayers money

apple85

Hannah_Scope said:

@apple85 Oh I have a few ideas about how to get rid of dodgy ministers and MPs

Although they could push a reform, it won't help their popularity so I personally don't see it happening. But I can see where you are 50/50 and the worry that brings for so many people. 

I still think things like disability benefits need to be taken off the political agenda. Having a committee that gives some stability to those claiming and less fear mongering with every political announcement would be life changing. 

Agreed 

I don’t know how much say mods like yourself have on scope policies, campaigns etc…….. or if anything on the forums makes itself noticed to the scopes higher ups

scope has probably one of the biggest uk online disabled communities at least in terms of forum interaction. Therefore it’s probably one of the best organisations placed to start a dwp reforms fight back campaign (don’t quote me on the title) as news sources will actually publish your quotes and anything similar

id love it if there was the Martin Luther King of the uk sick/disabled that could gather & organise the disabled masses and who’d be listened by the masses but I don’t think the uk disabled have anything like that which is why ideally an established disability charity would start something or even better a cross charity alliance 

I guess by now you’ve figured out I’m a huge forward planner, (over)plan for all possible scenarios and if I was a chess player I’d hope I’d be able to plan several moves ahead - I desperately want to be proactive and jump on action against these reforms and contribute to shutting them down before they even make official gov policy (I want to u turn it before it’s even officially possible to u-turn) but I have enough common sense to know I’m best place to jump on a big movement/campaign but right now that does not exist which is frustrating (I may share one of my disabilities with Greta Thunberg but it think her parents position in society (aka who she knew) placed a huge part in her success - I’m very aware that my best bet is to be an insignificant nut or bolt)

so I’d be very open to anyone from scope who reads this to private message me - as I said the majority may think it’s too early to organise something if at all but I think the sooner individuals and the whole community think it’s better to be proactive the better

okay, that’s my pitch, feel free to poke holes

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