Review form arrived🤦🏼‍♀️

Leigh14

So, the form for review has landed. To clarify, I’m treating it as though it was first time, stating words such as reliably, repeatedly, safely, to a reasonable standard or in a reasonable time. Is this correct?
Also give real world and detailed examples, when, where, what happened?

Literally shaking when I opened it, but I’m doing it all on paper before I actually write on form.
Got to be returned by 11th October, so I do have time. 

Leigh14

woodbine said:

Sounds like you are doing it correctly, don't forget to include as much recent and relevant evidence as possible and if the return date is 11/10 I would get it in the post by 02/10 and get proof of postage don't waste your money on recorded or signed for delivery. Good luck

Thankyou. Can I just ask something else. At MR stage last time, I was awarded 6 points, and I know I couldn’t have got extra 2 points to score for lower daily living. Same applies now, so on review form, can I simply say no change to all questions, and concentrate on just the mobility part (which is what I was awarded for at the higher rate)

nasturtium

Leigh14 said:

At MR stage last time, I was awarded 6 points, and I know I couldn’t have got extra 2 points to score for lower daily living. Same applies now, so on review form, can I simply say no change to all questions, and concentrate on just the mobility part (which is what I was awarded for at the higher rate)

It is advised never to just put "No Change" on a review form.

Remember if you are slow doing a daily activity and it takes you more than twice as long as a person without your condition to do the activity reliable then you should get points.

If you use any aids or an aid would help you to complete an activity safely, repeatedly, in a timely manor and to an acceptable standard then you will score points for that. You do not need to have the aid but if the aid would help you then you need to explain how the aid would help you and what happens when you dont use the aid. Also explain what function the aid replaces or aids according to your conditions. Like for example if you need to use a perching stool to prepare food because standing would cause you discomfort and get breathless this could score 2 points. You need 8 points for daily living.

Please do not put "no change" because you might get points if you explain in detail your problems and if a descriptor applies.

Nasturtium

Leigh14

nasturtium said:

Leigh14 said:

At MR stage last time, I was awarded 6 points, and I know I couldn’t have got extra 2 points to score for lower daily living. Same applies now, so on review form, can I simply say no change to all questions, and concentrate on just the mobility part (which is what I was awarded for at the higher rate)

It is advised never to just put "No Change" on a review form.

Remember if you are slow doing a daily activity and it takes you more than twice as long as a person without your condition to do the activity reliable then you should get points.

If you use any aids or an aid would help you to complete an activity safely, repeatedly, in a timely manor and to an acceptable standard then you will score points for that. You do not need to have the aid but if the aid would help you then you need to explain how the aid would help you and what happens when you dont use the aid. Also explain what function the aid replaces or aids according to your conditions. Like for example if you need to use a perching stool to prepare food because standing would cause you discomfort and get breathless this could score 2 points. You need 8 points for daily living.

Please do not put "no change" because you might get points if you explain in detail your problems and if a descriptor applies.

Nasturtium

Thankyou for your reply. I know I wouldn’t get anymore scores, which is why I feel it unnecessary to give details for daily living, so just put no change. That kind of makes more sense to me. Would you not think the same? My main problem is mobility.

Leigh14

Why am I having to have my posts approved?
Seems it only happens when I’m quoting on a certain posts.

Leigh14

Thankyou @nasturtium. The thing is I know I won’t be able to get those extra points, which is why I didn’t think it necessary to give details on that part of form. My main problem is mobility.

Leigh14

nasturtium said:

Leigh14 said:

At MR stage last time, I was awarded 6 points, and I know I couldn’t have got extra 2 points to score for lower daily living. Same applies now, so on review form, can I simply say no change to all questions, and concentrate on just the mobility part (which is what I was awarded for at the higher rate)

It is advised never to just put "No Change" on a review form.

Remember if you are slow doing a daily activity and it takes you more than twice as long as a person without your condition to do the activity reliable then you should get points.

If you use any aids or an aid would help you to complete an activity safely, repeatedly, in a timely manor and to an acceptable standard then you will score points for that. You do not need to have the aid but if the aid would help you then you need to explain how the aid would help you and what happens when you dont use the aid. Also explain what function the aid replaces or aids according to your conditions. Like for example if you need to use a perching stool to prepare food because standing would cause you discomfort and get breathless this could score 2 points. You need 8 points for daily living.

Please do not put "no change" because you might get points if you explain in detail your problems and if a descriptor applies.

Nasturtium

Thanks for your reply. The thing is, I know I won’t get anymore points for the daily living, which is why I didn’t think it would be necessary to give details on that part. My main problem is mobility. 

Adrian_Scope

Leigh14 said:

Why am I having to have my posts approved?
Seems it only happens when I’m quoting on a certain posts.

Hi @Leigh14. Apologies for this. Some posts get caught in our our spam filter incorrectly. I have approved any that were pending.

Leigh14

Adrian_Scope said:

Leigh14 said:

Why am I having to have my posts approved?
Seems it only happens when I’m quoting on a certain posts.

Hi @Leigh14. Apologies for this. Some posts get caught in our our spam filter incorrectly. I have approved any that were pending.

Ahhh, Thankyou for clearly that up for me.

chiarieds

Hi @Leigh14 -

Leigh14 said:

So, the form for review has landed. To clarify, I’m treating it as though it was first time, stating words such as reliably, repeatedly, safely, to a reasonable standard or in a reasonable time. Is this correct?
Also give real world and detailed examples, when, where, what happened?

Literally shaking when I opened it, but I’m doing it all on paper before I actually write on form.
Got to be returned by 11th October, so I do have time. 

Whilst you should ask yourself for each descriptor that applies can I do this 'reliably,' which is, as you know, such an important concept, personally I'd just use your own words tho 'safely' is fine, but how often would you say to someone that you couldn't do something 'to an acceptable standard?' Tho to be honest I'm unsure that that would apply to yourself, tho could be wrong.

Moving on, would you normally say , I can't do this 'repeatedly?' You might however say due to my chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) [& do literally use the full term to spell it out initially, then it's acceptable to use the abbreviation afterwards], I have difficulty having a shower more than once a week as I struggle with my breathlessness even more in the shower as the least exertion makes me feel worse. Having a shower also leaves me feeling worn out afterwards. It's reasonable to expect a person to shower more than once a week, & this shows why such a person might be unable to do so as a reason is given, & also due to the consequence (tiredness/fatigue/increased breathlessness) that happens afterwards.

It might be said that you couldn't do an activity in a 'reasonable time/it takes you much longer than someone without a disability,' but that doesn't normally trip off the tongue either! But if you say, again this is just an example, it takes me about 10 minutes to get dressed in the morning, but I feel worse as the day goes on & it takes me 15 mins at least to get undressed in the evening due to the tiredness I experience daily due to my COPD. This is 'reasonable' to expect due to an underlying condition, & shows that it takes more than twice as long as a person without a disability.

So, rather use your own words (rather than it seeming a bit contrived). Great you're treating it as if it was a first claim!

No problem with ticking 'no change,' but then say I still have difficulty with this because.....& give that detail. Mike always said to give one or 2 real world examples, & I've never seen better advice (from one who knows). I sort of imagine it as get say 12 people in a room all with the same condition, & they'll all be affected differently. So how is an assessor to know about the difficulties you face unless you give such examples, which brings your claim to life, & shows exactly how you're affected? Similarly when I'd had patients who all had the same diagnosis, they were all different! To me, Mike's comments therefore made complete sense.

Right, look back to when you were awarded 6 points for the daily living component. 6 points (probably 2 points for 3 descriptors), & you know you could have got an extra 2? Look back at what you wrote for your first claim & use that, & you can add even more detail now. The same for the mobility component. You need to concentrate on both components.

Not much space on the review form, so do add extra pages at the end saying which question it's continuing from, & add your name & National Insurance number to each page.

Making notes beforehand is also great! You can do this.

Leigh14

Thankyou @chiarieds & @woodbine. Extremely informative info (as always) My mind has been taken of it for the last few hours, but tomorrow I shall get down to it again. I want it done as soon as possible, but at the same time, I need to keep double checking it all🤦🏼‍♀️ 

Have a good evening, well, what’s left of it 🙂

L_Volunteer

How is this going for you today @Leigh14? We are for you if you have any further questions or if there is anything, in particular, we can do to help you with this 

2oldcodgers

nasturtium said:

Leigh14 said:

At MR stage last time, I was awarded 6 points, and I know I couldn’t have got extra 2 points to score for lower daily living. Same applies now, so on review form, can I simply say no change to all questions, and concentrate on just the mobility part (which is what I was awarded for at the higher rate)

It is advised never to just put "No Change" on a review form.

Remember if you are slow doing a daily activity and it takes you more than twice as long as a person without your condition to do the activity reliable then you should get points.

If you use any aids or an aid would help you to complete an activity safely, repeatedly, in a timely manor and to an acceptable standard then you will score points for that. You do not need to have the aid but if the aid would help you then you need to explain how the aid would help you and what happens when you dont use the aid. Also explain what function the aid replaces or aids according to your conditions. Like for example if you need to use a perching stool to prepare food because standing would cause you discomfort and get breathless this could score 2 points. You need 8 points for daily living.

Please do not put "no change" because you might get points if you explain in detail your problems and if a descriptor applies.

Nasturtium

Excellent advice. I  would also point out that the forthcoming AR2 review form for those on a 10 year award should be completed in the same way as per advice I obtained from AgeUK. It's a rather sneaky form as it actually invites you to just say 'no change'.

chiarieds

And I would like to say that Benefits & Work would disagree with you about the AR2 from, as they say,

''It is likely that most forms that are returned which indicate there has been no change, or where the change could not make a difference to the award, will result in a decision being made in-house by the DWP without passing the case on to an assessment provider.''       Please see:

https://benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/pip-ar2-light-touch-review-form,-details-and-sample-copy

I think the jury's out for now. I agree Nasturtium gives great advice, which in this case is about completing an AR1 form.

WhatThe

I don't see any contradiction. I think the B&W passage has been taken out of context and could easily be misinterpreted if read on its own in your post 

chiarieds

How is this taken out of context? I quoted part, & gave a link to the whole of B & W's comment. You've lost me off @WhatThe As woodbine says, it's early days for the light touch reviews, so nobody knows for sure.

WhatThe

Taken at face value, this bit worries me - 

forms..which indicate there has been no change 

chiarieds

OK, & sorry it's worried you. However with the AR2 it seems to me that you would have to say 'yes,' your needs have changed, in order to give detail about how your needs haven't changed, which seems rather odd. If you say, 'no' to both the daily living & mobility components, then you just proceed to the declaration.

Take my own example, I get the standard rate for daily living, & enhanced for mobility. Therefore if I said my daily living needs had worsened, & gave examples, then I might get an enhanced award, but if I didn't get sufficient points such as they'd increase my award, then it would stay the same. If I said my mobility had worsened, as I already get the enhanced award, it would 'likely' stay the same. If I said my mobility problems were so much better (unfortunately an unlikely scenario), & I now walked about a mile a day 4 times a week, then I 'likely' shouldn't have a mobility award at all!

take (something) out of context

To misrepresent the meaning of an utterance, an action, or a report thereof by omitting or altering the original context in which it was spoken or done.

Don't think I did that.

Are AgeUK correct in their advice, Benefits & Work, or any other reputable source that others may find? This was the only 'personal' opinion I made, 'I think the jury's out for now.'   The jury is out is an expression that means no decision has been made in a matter, or that the answer to a question is not yet apparent.

Edited to add @WhatThe has altered their last post.

WhatThe

forms that are returned which indicate there has been no change ...is all I'm referring to

I haven't accused you of anything and the worry isn't for myself 

 

Leigh14

L_Volunteer said:

How is this going for you today @Leigh14? We are for you if you have any further questions or if there is anything, in particular, we can do to help you with this 

Thankyou. 

I do have a question regarding planning and following a journey. Is this for walking or transport? I’ve completely forgotten, and my mind is a fuzz ball right now.
I took a breather from paper work yesterday after working on it for an hour, blinding headache etc. This morning I’m back on it, bed covered in papers, and cannot think straight.
Hope you are ok 🙂

WhatThe

Now you're accusing me of editing my last post? There is no sign of editing on my last post so give it a rest will you