Being Employed

Albus_Scope

wendy1 said:

That link I have posted talks about Disabled and Benefits people and also mentions people that deemed unfit to work will lose their benefits if the don't engage in work. So tell me where I am wrong. 

Morning Wendy.  The Governments future plans only involve new Universal credit claimants after 2025, current claimants wont be affected if they are LCW or LCWRA. So please try not to worry. 

wendy1

Can someone explain to me who this post is about, to me its Disabled people.

wendy1

Maybe I should mention that I'm long-term sick and classed as disabled, that's how I think the new plans apply to me

poppy123456

Oh dear. Where exactly did you get that screenshot from? Yes, it mentions free prescriptions etc ending but this will only apply to those that are fit for work and looking for work, if they don't do what they are supposed to do and their UC will close.

As we continuously keep advising, if the changes happen they will only apply to new claims from 2025. It doesn't apply to those that have been found to have LCW or LCWRA, as Albus advised here.

Albus_Scope said:

Morning Wendy.  The Governments future plans only involve new Universal credit claimants after 2025, current claimants wont be affected if they are LCW or LCWRA. So please try not to worry. 

wendy1

I seen the post on Google. Thank You people for explaining and helping me to understand these new plans and who they will apply to 

wendy1

I'm sorry I'm still not convinced that the Government's new plans apply to all Disabled people

poppy123456

wendy1 said:

I'm sorry I'm still not convinced that the Government's new plans apply to all Disabled people

There's really nothing more i can advise you with. I've posted links, the scope team have also tried to advise you.

minfo83

Hi everyone, i say there is no point worrying over spilt milk if a nice job comes by and it lets me work from home as am a wheelchair user, i will grab it. As i think for some people with health issues working and interacting would be great and if you can't you can go back to UC and try again..

2oldcodgers

minfo83 said:

Hi everyone, i say there is no point worrying over spilt milk if a nice job comes by and it lets me work from home as am a wheelchair user, i will grab it. As i think for some people with health issues working and interacting would be great and if you can't you can go back to UC and try again..

Absolutely the right way to look at life.
The problem as I see it is that once you are labeled by the DWP as unfit for work the claimant just accepts it arguing that they are unable to do any work. Not true, I believe that many of those in that category would love to go to work. They should always be looking for the opportunities that arise certainly on a weekly basis. If the right job pops up then go for it and try it. You never know what is possible round the corner.
To sit there believing that you cannot do any work does nobody any good. Have a bit of determination and drive.

Albus_Scope

Ever heard of The Spoon Theory?

   The spoon theory explains that people living with chronic illness, chronic pain, and disability have limited energy resources and also expend more energy on everyday tasks than people without illness and disability.  So, many disabled people would love to work, but long term it's just not viable, unless you get a very very understanding employer.  

2oldcodgers

Albus_Scope said:

Ever heard of The Spoon Theory?

   The spoon theory explains that people living with chronic illness, chronic pain, and disability have limited energy resources and also expend more energy on everyday tasks than people without illness and disability.  So, many disabled people would love to work, but long term it's just not viable, unless you get a very very understanding employer.  

I won't dispute that theory. But I do believe that where there is a will there is a way.
On the other hand why don't we leave it to the DWP to organise a work programme and maybe find them a job that fits in with the capabilities of the individual?
If it all goes t**s up there can only be one to criticise that being the DWP for getting it so wrong in the first place by not making sure that the job fits the individual?.

Albus_Scope

I'll counter that first comment with "The mind is willing but the body is weak."  

My personal issue here is if the DWP do get it wrong, it will be affecting thousands of disabled people unfairly and could cost lives. They would also have to do this on a case by case basis (which will take a long time) and the work coaches would need training in all the myriad of disabilities.  Which I honestly don't see happening.  If they can do this and offer (not force) disabled people employment, great. 

Plus the potential employers would have to be fully honest and transparent with their requests for staff to the DWP.  The number of jobs classed as work from home include care homes and hybrid work.  Neither of which would be suitable. 

wendy1

Here I go again, I've seen a article today in the Nottingham Post about the new plans concerning the Disabled and Benefits people. Now it includes ESA claimants and long-term sickness. 

wendy1

I don't understand why the Government maybe is increasing benefits when their expecting most claimants to be looking for work, they'll be no one claiming benefits

2oldcodgers

Albus_Scope said:

I'll counter that first comment with "The mind is willing but the body is weak."  

My personal issue here is if the DWP do get it wrong, it will be affecting thousands of disabled people unfairly and could cost lives. They would also have to do this on a case by case basis (which will take a long time) and the work coaches would need training in all the myriad of disabilities.  Which I honestly don't see happening.  If they can do this and offer (not force) disabled people employment, great. 

Plus the potential employers would have to be fully honest and transparent with their requests for staff to the DWP.  The number of jobs classed as work from home include care homes and hybrid work.  Neither of which would be suitable. 

All government departments get things wrong sometimes but that should not be making it that all departments get it wrong all of the time.
Lets's look at how PIP is organised. If a similar system that could be set up that would identify abilities and non abilities in a work place we would be almost there. Using descriptors it would be reasonably clear if sometime is fit enough to do some work.
Yes things may go wrong as they do with PIP but there is a system in place where decisions can be challenged through the Tribunal system.
As I see it all that is required is to tweek the PIP system by using work relative descriptors and points

poppy123456

2oldcodgers said:

Albus_Scope said:

I'll counter that first comment with "The mind is willing but the body is weak."  

My personal issue here is if the DWP do get it wrong, it will be affecting thousands of disabled people unfairly and could cost lives. They would also have to do this on a case by case basis (which will take a long time) and the work coaches would need training in all the myriad of disabilities.  Which I honestly don't see happening.  If they can do this and offer (not force) disabled people employment, great. 

Plus the potential employers would have to be fully honest and transparent with their requests for staff to the DWP.  The number of jobs classed as work from home include care homes and hybrid work.  Neither of which would be suitable. 

Lets's look at how PIP is organised. If a similar system that could be set up that would identify abilities and non abilities in a work place we would be almost there. Using descriptors it would be reasonably clear if sometime is fit enough to do some work.
Yes things may go wrong as they do with PIP but there is a system in place where decisions can be challenged through the Tribunal system.
As I see it all that is required is to tweek the PIP system by using work relative descriptors and points

Not sure how you came to that conclusion because PIP has nothing to do with anyone's ability to work and never has been and very unlikely to ever be this way.

2oldcodgers

poppy123456 said:

Not sure how you came to that conclusion because PIP has nothing to do with anyone's ability to work and never has been and very unlikely to ever be this way.

I don't know why you say that as my post was particularly clear.
I know it isn't but a similar system using descriptors relevant to the working environment would be the way forward.
As PIP is all about how serious your issues (descriptors) are that affect your life then do the same type of assessment - It's what you can do not what you can't.
You could call it the Working Independence Assessment - WIA.

poppy123456

2oldcodgers said:

poppy123456 said:

Not sure how you came to that conclusion because PIP has nothing to do with anyone's ability to work and never has been and very unlikely to ever be this way.

I don't know why you say that as my post was particularly clear.
I know it isn't but a similar system using descriptors relevant to the working environment would be the way forward.
As PIP is all about how serious your issues (descriptors) are that affect your life then do the same type of assessment - It's what you can do not what you can't.
You could call it the Working Independence Assessment - WIA.

Ridiculous nonesense!!

2oldcodgers

poppy123456 said:

2oldcodgers said:

poppy123456 said:

Not sure how you came to that conclusion because PIP has nothing to do with anyone's ability to work and never has been and very unlikely to ever be this way.

I don't know why you say that as my post was particularly clear.
I know it isn't but a similar system using descriptors relevant to the working environment would be the way forward.
As PIP is all about how serious your issues (descriptors) are that affect your life then do the same type of assessment - It's what you can do not what you can't.
You could call it the Working Independence Assessment - WIA.

Ridiculous nonesense!!

Is it? I can see that using that system (PIP) could be adapted to decide who is capable of working. It's about time this country ensures that those that can work do so.
Went past my local pub this morning on the bus to town. Once again there were 4 large mobility scooters on the pavement outside. This happens most days. 

vikingqueen

         Could the owners of the large mobility scooters maybe belong to...
            Retired people:  People who are lonely:  People who don't actually drink the dirty beer they sell in pubs and are partial to a cup of coffee. Don't tar everyone with the same brush without knowing the facts.