General election - party’s manifestos published this week starting 10th june
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That's better than declaring cuts though.
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yes I guess you’re right- but a few sources say they will still look into the green paper?
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From the Manifesto :
Too many people are out of work or not earning enough. Long waits for
treatment of health conditions, particularly mental health, are
contributing to the rise in economic inactivity. Labour will reform
employment support so it drives growth and opportunity. Our system will
be underpinned by rights and responsibilities – people who can work,
should work – and there will be consequences for those who do not fulfil
their obligations.We will bring Jobcentre Plus and the National Careers Service
together to provide a national jobs and careers service, focused on
getting people into work and helping them get on at work. We will ensure
the service is responsive to local employers, inclusive for all users,
and works in partnership with other local services.Labour will work with local areas to create plans to support more
disabled people and those with health conditions into work. We will
devolve funding so local areas can shape a joined-up work, health, and
skills offer for local people. We will tackle the backlog of Access to
Work claims and give disabled people the confidence to start working
without the fear of an immediate benefit reassessment if it does not
work out. We believe the Work Capability Assessment is not working and
needs to be reformed or replaced, alongside a proper plan to support
disabled people to work.One in eight young people are not in education, employment, or
training, with those lacking good qualifications and with poor mental
health facing particular disadvantages. Drawing together existing
funding and entitlements, Labour will establish a youth guarantee of
access to training, an apprenticeship, or support to find work for all
18- to 21-year-olds, to bring down the number of young people who are
not learning or earning. We will also guarantee two weeks’ worth of work
experience for every young person, and improve careers advice in
schools and colleges.We will work with the Scottish and Welsh Governments, and Mayors and
Combined Authorities in England, to ensure all aspects of our new
approach to Jobcentre Plus and employment support partner effectively
with devolved provision, to offer the best opportunities for people
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Manifesto here :
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Sir Keir Starmer consistently voted against welfare cuts for disabled claimants and the 2016 welfare reforms, be in no doubt about that.
Those new laws are now in operation thanks to his colleagues who did support them. They are the reason Labour handed the 2015 GE back to the Conservatives.
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No news is good news, he hasn't funded spending with welfare cuts like the Tories plan to do and there are no open attacks on disability benefits. I'm hopeful and my mind is more at ease now. Next stop, Jul 4th...
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Tory manifesto highlights (whole pages posted for context):
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Labour manifesto highlights (whole pages posted for context):
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thanks for the highlights!!
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for those located in wales I’ll give the highlighter screenshot for Plaid Cymru manifesto either later tonight or 1st thing tomorrow
I am also keeping my eye out for snp’s and reform’s manifestos
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I am not worried about all the talk of work from Labour, it's election speak and until we get more information I don't think it's worth speculating. There are whispers they plan to scrap the 2 child limit which seems likely. Hopefully they will axe the bedroom tax too.
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thank you for your thanks - it’s much appreciated
That labour manifesto was a particular beast to highlight
I have some thoughts on the Tory vs labour manifestos but I probably won’t have time to post in length till the weekendI do get the impression that both the big 2 parties see the disabled as an inconvenience at best - the Tory plan for us is more explicit with little room to be misanalysised - but labour plan is vague, looks like their own reforms may be as big as the tories plan but we have no idea if they will be fairer on the disabled or even one up the tories (though I noticed on the financial breakdown no extra money is being assigned to welfare/disability so it’s probably not best case). Also some of the ‘language’ used in labour manifesto is downright aggressive and an insulting read for a non working disabled person
In conclusion (in terms of a sales pitch from the big 2 to the disabled)
- the tories are selling a difficult future for the disabled (no way to spin that otherwise)
- Labour are vague on what they are offering (you’re basically buying based on faith and hope only, no facts, one of those mystery boxes essentially) - there’s very little on whether things could be getting better or worse for this community…..only that a large shake up will happen under them pretty soon
are labour a better opinion than the tories - even with the vagueness, yesIs it a good idea to risk giving a labour a mega majority by only voting them to get the tories out - no………sorry I don’t trust starmer with a mega majority but a small majority I’m significantly calmer about
from what I’ve read of the smaller party manifesto’s (excluding reform) is that it will be vital to get Lib Dem’s/greens/snp/some independents as many seats as possible (using research + tactical voting) so their are at least some mps around to hold labour to account the next 5 years (Tory and reform unlikely to be up to that task imo)1 -
the greens have the best manifesto - if the majority of people are voting labour- then it’s unlikely tories will win- due to fact the state they’ve been in last couple years- people have lost faith.. but I think majority of disabled people would vote a party that’s more friendly towards disabled people and benefits.
If everyone on benefits voted green for instance they would be in for a good chance~
I think like someone mentioned- no need is good news.. but it still speculated that they will consider the green paper.. labour that is-
I think I rather vote pro disabled than someone that doesn’t mention pledges that aid us- and key the working class vote labour.. I rather give them a fighting chance. And who knows maybe working class are fed up of Labour/tories and try something new.Although it’s all about the working class~ I don’t even think Labour pledges were lacking pledges- I think it was a statement avoiding actually promising anything they know they can do.. tories promised bullet point statement so did greens.. imo
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summary of all manifestos so far from the work and benefits forum - always an excellent read:
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Thank you for posting these, really helpful and an interesting read with much to ponder.
I'd like to know what any of these parties intend to do about employers who fail to abide by the Equality Act and disability discrimination because as it stands, the system favours the employer with all their resources whilst those who try to stand up for their rights are to scared, too stressed, too ill or too burnt out to even get through the lengthy process within the 3 month time constraint.
Who is going to ensure that all employers play fair with us disabled people and who will hold them to account when they don't?
Where are all these jobs suitable for disabled people coming from in the first place? The mind boggles!
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Benefits and Work are saying that based on what that said the 2 child benefit cap will not be lifted
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one thing that looks increasingly clear:Fill out the pip consultation if you haven’t already as labour obviously haven’t ruled anything out and as many of us us possible need to drum in whoever’s in charges skulls what a bad idea all proposed changes would be not only for the disabled but overall uk disabled productivity also!
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I for one will miss Lucas as an mp
I’m having so much trouble trying to understand why labour thought language like this and other snippets for their manifestos and press interviews are vote winners?
Is empathy considered that big a flaw these days?
I know a lot of you are so scared of the tories pulling off the biggest election upset in many of our lifetimes (esp with the daily Tory implosions) so will bury your fears, vote labour whatever and prayBut I can’t be the only one scared of the consequences of starmer & co potentially getting a mega majority……esp as we have very little clue of what they’d do with it
(I noticed they were very careful to not make many promises in their manifesto about disability and welfare as they can’t be accused of u turns - in a weird way I’m kind of appreciate the Tory’s bluntly saying in their manifesto that they plan to continue being jackass’s…..I know where I stand with them and I feel 100% comfortable with not voting for them)
Would anyone with doubts over their current labour vote (and their labour mp/candidate isn’t a clear disability ally) consider a protest tactical vote for the smaller party best placed to take on both tories and labour (3rd placed or higher)?
I know many of you still hold a grudge with the Lib Dem’s (even though as of may 2024 only 3 Lib Dem mps remained in parliament from the 2010-15 coalition class - just saying by default different party) and the greens realistically don’t have the support numbers to get more than a handful (though please provide me proof if I’m understating the green movement for certain seats) and snp & plaid Clyde only cater for Scotland and wales respectively (plus there are a few strong looking independents)If only the smaller parties could of come up with a tactical voting alliance/agreement as I’m looking around disability sites & social media and there’s so much differing opinion on whether to hope for the best with labour or to put in a ‘protest’ vote and if so for who
I wish the disabled community could all get together and agree on a voting strategy for the whole bloc - could you imagine the voting power we’d weld if we were organised (and yes I saw a unicorn in the distance as I was typing that😝)
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I just want the Tories out first and foremost. The last thing we need is another hung parliament leading to a coalition, they never end well and don't usually last long. If a Lab/Lib coalition only lasts a couple of years that might give the Tories time to regroup and they could even get back in. I'm fine with a large majority for the first term, they've got enough to do for a few years that I bet they won't make too many controversial changes. They'll get a smaller majority the second term when policies will really start to lock in. Starmer has socialist roots, the fact he can't say so openly is entirely the fault of the Toriea and their right wing media. Ed got felled for eating a sandwich wrong, can you imagine what they'd do to Starmer if he started talking about being nice to "benefit scroungers"
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firstly there is next to zero chance of a hung Parliament - every party has agreed out loud that labour already have tied up the majority, its now a question of how big (I will retract that previous statement if labour/starmer have the scandal to end all scandals but considering their ming vase election strategy I’ll eat my hat if that happens)
Second everyone aged 79 or younger has only experienced one coalition in their lifetime and that one lasted the full 4-5 years and I think the tories would argue it ended well for them as voters were angry at the Lib Dem’s not them and they got a majority the following election
I know you in particular Meg are particularly scared of the tories having another 5 years to enact their plans as it would muddy many disabled ppl futures so I understand why you are most likely voting labour and I respect that
But as someone who believed in starmer till a year back I’m actually very upset I’ve had to come to the conclusion I have. As someone else on this forum mentioned a large number of ppl in this country has a friend or loved one that will be negatively affected by any changes to disability/long term sickness benefits so it makes no sense that being an election winner and I’ve been asking myself the same question
For some reason far right voters are being seen as more ludicrous to labour than the sick, disabled and unpaid carers (which is the bigger minority) - even so starmer doesn’t have to talk nicely about us to gain these these far right voters (which reform are significantly better placed to attract the far right - no party has officially tried to attract disabled voter….we’re free agents) he could just ignore us
Instead starmer and the labour top brass have used a lot of intimidating language towards us which if nothing else is totally unnecessary
Even if all of this is an act and starmer still has all his socialist morals that means he’s been lying through his teeth and I question anyone willing to push their moral asid or hid their true nature to gain power
I believe the simpler explanation is that if it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, it’s a duck!
Hope can be a dangerous - from personal experience it can completely destroy you if you lose it or if it’s taken from you (if labour under starmer did continue down the Tory path it would probably be the biggest betrayal since Cameron as both should be disability allies - I have no expectation of sunak & stride actually acting like compassionate human)
I really really hope you’re right Meg I really do because if my gut is right then the only ppl that may be able to still 100% relax are those not far off state pension age (which is the ‘safety net’ we all hope to get to one day) - finally please note that it’s a labour mega majority that worries me……………a 40-60 seat majority would be a significantly better outcome0
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