The official 2024 budget discussion.

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  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 700 Trailblazing
    edited October 30
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  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community member Posts: 360 Trailblazing
    edited October 30
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/933401#Comment_933401

    Amending SDP transitional protection regulations? **** does that mean?

  • Votadini
    Votadini Community member Posts: 49 Empowering
    edited October 30
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/933392#Comment_933392

    https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/work-capability-assessment-activities-and-descriptors/outcome/government-response-to-the-work-capability-assessment-activities-and-descriptors-consultation

    These changes to the WCA will apply to new claims for ESA and to UC claimants who report a health condition and require an assessment.

    Also.

    These changes will mean that almost all people who are currently assessed as having LCWRA will never face a WCA reassessment again. Reassessments will only take place under very limited circumstances, which are:

    • When a claimant reports a change of circumstances in their health condition;
    • If a claimant has been awarded LCWRA for pregnancy risk, or cancer treatment where the prognosis for recovery is expected to be short-term;
    • If a claimant has been declared as having LCWRA under the new risk provisions; and
    • In cases of suspected fraud.

    However as others are rightly pointing out we don't know if Labour will follow these reforms precisely, just that they plan to match the Tory 'savings'. So we're still at least partially in the dark. I personally think Reeves confirmed they will be sticking with the Conservative reforms but other opinions are available.

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Community member Posts: 160 Empowering
    edited October 30

    so we have to wait until next year for anything concrete. FFS

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community member Posts: 67 Empowering
    edited October 30

    I was reading BBC reports last week that Labour will find ways to make the "savings" in their own way. I guess there's conflicting reports.

  • stay_positive
    stay_positive Community member Posts: 342 Empowering
    edited October 30

    from copliot .

    1. Benefits Increase: Benefits, including PIP, will see a 1.7% increase in line with the Consumer Prices Index (CPI) measure of inflation from September 2024. This means recipients will get higher payments from April 2025.
    2. LCWRA Reforms: The Work Capability Assessment (WCA) reforms, which were announced in 2023, will take effect in 2025. These changes will make it more difficult to qualify for LCWRA, potentially affecting around 450,000 people2. The government plans to abolish the WCA entirely by 2029, replacing it with a new system where medically unqualified work coaches will assess claimants2.
    3. Chance to Work Guarantee: Existing LCWRA claimants will not face reassessment and can try work without fear of losing their benefits or health top-ups1. Reassessments will only occur under very limited circumstances, such as a change in health condition, pregnancy risk, or suspected fraud

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 700 Trailblazing
    edited October 30
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    I think that’s everything from the budget doc - I was skim reading so I could of missed some things


    Edit:

    A timetable of sorts

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  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community member Posts: 360 Trailblazing
    edited October 30

    If a claimant has been declared as having LCWRA under the new risk provisions;

    What does this mean though? Does this mean that if you were in the LCWRA only because of risk, that you will be subject to the new rules? This is the one that confuses and worries me.

  • michael57
    michael57 Community member Posts: 678 Trailblazing
    edited October 30
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/933425#Comment_933425

    lol i and every one on here will be long gone well before 20252 chuckle of the day thank you

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 700 Trailblazing
    edited October 30

    lastly for all you numbers people interested in the details (basically anyone who has a Rachel reeves type brain - so most of you will want the skip the following id imagine)

    (Last note - all benefits still presumed to be increased in cpi - translation: no welfare benefit freezes for now)

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  • stay_positive
    stay_positive Community member Posts: 342 Empowering
    edited October 30

    how rude . I got a strike for saying less than that , please remember that most here have mental illness , me included . I should have know not to contribute and that someone such as yourself would post an insult .

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community member Posts: 142 Empowering
    edited October 30

    Thank you for the highlighting, that made it much easier to read through all the points. (I noticed at one point she wrote trail instead of trial…lol).

    I didn't notice much mention specifically of PIP or how these new fraud powers will impact that benefit. Maybe she's hanging onto that until the spring white paper, or maybe the main focus of the new fraud plans are targeted at UC.

    I read over the WCA/ESA stuff a few times. It looks like they're moving ahead with the transition but not necessarily changing anyone's income for the worse, at least at the moment. What isn't contained here is clear information about how they are going to change WCA going forward and what the longterm implications will be.

    The trailblazer areas will be in cities because they always are. 100k disabled people doesn't seem like a large number, either. What were the disability stats again? How many million are we?

    I noted that she wants to keep disabled people in good jobs. Well, then maybe she could stop cutting public services…a lot of disabled people in employment work for local government, and many of us are on temporary contracts because of this chronic lack of funding.

  • Kimmy87
    Kimmy87 Community member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited October 30

    Copilot is the Microsoft AI.

  • stay_positive
    stay_positive Community member Posts: 342 Empowering
    edited October 30

    Admin or the mods can delete it , I have no problem with it .

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 700 Trailblazing
    edited October 30
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/933448#Comment_933448

    you are very welcome


    as I said before - this budget hits employers hiring (or keeping on) employees pretty badly

    Kendall’s biggest problem isn’t ’encouraging’ disabled into work………….its persuading employers to take us on (and dwp can’t sanction employers with as much ease as claimants)

    Kendall may want to think about making further education/training more accessible and cheaper for disabled ppl in the meantime so at least our cv better positions us to get these ‘better paid jobs’ (and adding more help for those wanting to work for themselves and reforming the minimum income floor which deters claimants from trying)

  • 923jal
    923jal Community member Posts: 1 Listener
    edited October 30

    Having read this

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/autumn-budget-2024/autumn-budget-2024-html#welfare-cap-1 Am I right in thinking that PIP will count towards the benefit cap going forwards?

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Community member Posts: 19 Contributor
    edited October 30

    @apple85 just wanted to say thank you for all your work today. It’s very much appreciated

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 700 Trailblazing
    edited October 30

    https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/autumn-budget-benefit-changes-universal-credit/

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