The official 2024 budget discussion.
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From the budget statement.
"The government will set out reforms to health and disability
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Sorry Apple85 I responded to the wrong post. I was trying to point out that according to today's statement we'll be waiting until next year to hear from Kendall.
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I've read through the whole thread a couple of times and I haven't seen anyone at all that's been rude to you. Am I missing something here?
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Ok folks, I can see that tensions are high and misunderstandings have happened. That's the perils of the written word unfortunately, but no one is at fault.
Let's just draw a line under it now please and keep this discussion on track.
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No, it counts towards the welfare cap.
The Benefits Cap is a limit on how much an individual can claim in benefits, which PIP doesn't count towards. The welfare cap is a limit on how much the DWP can spend on welfare in total in a given year, which PIP has always counted towards.
Making PIP count towards the benefits cap would be a far bigger change, they wouldn't have been able to sneak it under the radar.
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Apple85, you nailed it exactly with this:
"Kendall’s biggest problem isn’t ’encouraging’ disabled into work………….its persuading employers to take us on (and dwp can’t sanction employers with as much ease as claimants)"
It's so much easier to target disabled people as the problem, but so long as they do that, there won't ever be a solution. There are a lot of disabled people not in work who would like to work, and a lot who are in insecure work like me, with no promise of any stability. There are also plenty of employers sidestepping employing disabled people, or just going through the motions via Disability Confident. Even those who want to employ more diversely don't have the tools to do it. It would be helpful if, instead of talking about mobilising disabled people into work, instead they started by creating an inclusive employment environment.
All that said, it does LOOK as though they are thinking about access to work at least from a more positive angle (with respect to their scheme proposals). But as I said before, those kinds of schemes will be in cities, and where you live will determine your opportunities. Much as is the case now.
(Note for anyone reading, of course, those people who cannot work should absolutely not be pushed into any of these programmes).
I am not impressed with the bus cap changing, either. But that's another discussion.1 -
lol i and every one on here will be long gone well before 20252 chuckle of the day thank you
It was a typo, now corrected, followed by a joke about the date. Nothing rude.
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I never said that about you , where do you get it from that i said you were insensitive? this is the problem with typing stuff it get twisted . I was explaining that the comment towards me from another poster was insensitive .
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Been listening carefully to recording of Reeves announcement Albus_Scope. One main thing they announced is they're planning to implement the changes to the work capability assessment criteria as intended by Mel Stride and his gang. They will be preparing a "white paper" to announce measures in the spring, so no changes until then. But we will need to fight this hard. The intention is to exclude a large number of claimants currently in receipt of disability benefits. How will they do this? When your medical assessment comes up, a lot of the current criteria that qualify you for disability will no longer be accepted. I'm afraid there's not much sympathy for the disabled by this bunch, any more than the Tories. Strikes me they don't understand the consequences of health conditions and how it impacts on people's ability to do a job.
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Reeves & Co. missed a 'trick'.
There are companies out there that are 'flush' with cash.
She could have hit the companies who are busy buying back their own shares.
So weak, they could have borrowed against 'Great British Energy' (so essential borrowing from Google, Amazon etc cash pile), to raise billions, so a temporary sell off, then gradually buy back over several years as the economy grows.
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So how will we fight this
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are you sure?
if they are sticking to the tory plans then existing claimants won't be reassessed unless a major change of circumstances occurs.
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Surprise surprise poor, sick and marginalised people are getting screwed over by neoliberals again. But remember, we got the Tories out lmao
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How I interpretated reeves comment on keeping the wca reforms - is that the savings gained by any reform, criteria tightening or benefit cuts would be staying (I think the Tory wca reform plans would of saved the gov £3.9billion - I think reeves wants that saving to remain to balance her books)
However I interpreted reeves words as not necessarily using the old Tory wca reform plan to achieve this - yes this is still on the table but labour could have a totally new plan or do a mix of both old Tory ideas & new labour ideas
Right now it’s basically Schrödinger’s box in terms of how future welfare reform will be packaged - we can’t jump to conclusions till the disability white paper gets published
(Many members know I’m not the most patient and don’t trust Kendall as far as I can throw her - but reading around social media so many ppl are jumping to conclusions…………that might be a good thing as disabled fury seems to be at a new high and intensity and many seem ready to bite & fight back - if I was labour I’d be worried as disabled are looking more and more likely to trigger a pensioner level of backlash when things are announced, esp if nov 29th goes a certain way)
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Moving people from esa to uc is a way to save money. They will carry on looking for ways to save money by making it harder to qualify for the lcwra for the new claimants.
Isn't that why they brought in uc in the first place? To save money. To stop people claiming esa and being put in the support group.
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can’t believe no one else has noticed the change above:
Hint: the most recent uc managed migration rollout schedule had the dwp aiming to send out the last of the uc invites by September 2025 and have completed uc full migration by the end of 2025 - the above potentially means that esa to uc managed migration is being carried out over (a max of) 2yrs rather than just the one as the tories planned
(If I’ve understood correctly of course)
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That's how I read it.
It's usually changes that will impact new claimants.
They are busy migrating people over to be done by the end of 2025. I wouldn't think we will see changes to the WCA before then as it will be chaos.
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I Agree thoroughly with your interpretation here.
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looks like they expect it to take longer indeed, but going by every other rollout I'd be surprised if it wasn't paused at least once and if it was completed by 2027, their bull in a china shop approach always has and will create major backlogs and delays, they don't learn!
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agreed
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