Economic inactivity: welfare and long-term sickness Oral evidence live 3pm 12/11/24

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  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering

    Hey Cath

    I'm assuming they are refering to the house of Lords which are responsible for scrutinizing legisaltions passed by the house of Commons (but little to know power on legislation so go figure)

    But as I can read they have their busy focus on airing their contempt and discrimination qualities while scheming up ways to influence House of Commons ( like they need any help in that regards) on how to attack welfare again and cut it for the peasants... sorry most vulnerable citizens because those actually living on their own paid NI contributions with health and disabilities are in their eyes all Liars and only have to get a sick note and get free money.

    I mean clearly have not been through the system if they think it's easy ....it's a living hell but hey they don't need it so it must go.

    £300 a day they get for this 💕

  • michael57
    michael57 Community member Posts: 764 Trailblazing

    not sure where you get your information from but they get and can claim a tad more than that per day who would hold the government accountable if they were disbanded

  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering

    NNo they can't if they hold only membership they can only claim £300 and travel expenses or a reduced rate of £150.

    Who else would hold house of Commons responsible?

    By the look of it they share all the house of Commons rhetic on disabled and long term sick and want to cut off vital support.

    If that's holding house of Commons accountable who needs enemies. 💕

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,461 Championing

    Can I ask if labour goes with tories changes it will go ahead 2025 and if they make changes will it take awhile to put into legislation sorry hope my messages make sense

  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering

    Yes it makes sense Cath 💕

    Firstly I'm not sure if they will as few toffs like Sirs have said they will have their own approach which may be more drastic than the Tories or less so.

    But any change of legislation tends to go through house of common , house of Lords and Royal assent .

    Seeing as house of Lords seem to be on same wavelength it will probably meet approval quickly . It's difficult to say exactly how long but doesn't look like anyone will challenge it in that clicks club .

    Once Kendalls White Paper comes out it's start of legislation so say from spring it could be not long at all from then 💕

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,461 Championing

    OOh God when you read tories it states new claimants I got used to what they was proposing everything bad farmers it's all sinister it's definitely seeming true your have noting about being happy

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,461 Championing

    Sorry have noting and be happy

  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering

    I understand .

    We have had Toies for last 14 years and New Labour wishing to Roll back 'socialism 'since Thatcher. It wasn't socialism it was Capitalism with Social policies proven to be very successful models.

    Take the best European models there was no homelessness good public services generous welfare system and good quality of living standards due to taxing the wealthiest more for the good of the community Sweden etc.

    But Thatcher wanted to roll back 'Socialism ' and do they opposite

    Record inequalities , homelessness everywhere widening poverty housing crisis.

    Just a me myself and I mentality that they have brainwashed the public to believe.

    Never expected them to not punch downthey have been doing so forever

    You have to fight for crumbs your crumbs

    It's a disgraceful ideology a survival of the fittest.

    A society I do not wish to be a part of and that's mostly due to the sickness of our society by design. 💕

  • michael57
    michael57 Community member Posts: 764 Trailblazing

    £361 per day if attended plus travel expenses and subsidised restaurant facilities while i totally agree with you on how they get there position i think without them whoever was in power would make our lives a lot harder than they do now we might as well denounce the monarchy and become communists

  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering

    I forgot to add the best also have good healthcare 💕 It depends on who runs the Countries as to how good or bad it is for citizens and here is very bad indeed 💕

  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering

    It a punch down system and the suffering is all around us.Thats ehy i have no faith in our political sytrms and look to international for help and mercy.💕

  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,461 Championing

    Starner given councils permission to set council tax exactly like giving work coaches say on who can and can't work smart they will take the blame and the goverment can say it wasn't us it's the council it's self

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 709 Trailblazing
    edited November 15

    I’ve had a chance to listen to the full 2hrs of the dwp committee meeting

    In all honestly I think everyone should listen for themselves as the media have not reported on it well/without bias (I’m happy to post highlighted screenshots when they are available to highlight - but transcripts are a lot of work and the last time I did it members disbelieved the quotes I typed direct from actual verbal interview……so it would most likely be a waste of time) and it’s very subjective but I personally was not upset by anything said (a couple of parts of over optimistic logic and some realities were passed over) and this is the best Kendall has verbally come across (I’m no fan of hers but I did feel some empathy towards her situation - whether that lasts who knows)

    The committee members themselves were excellent (all labour mps apart from 2 libdems and 1 Tory member)

    I’ll type the ‘timestamps’ of all the topics covered:

    • 0min - pensioner winter payment
    • 35min - young ppl and the skills they needed
    • 40min - health assessments/wca reforms (how they differ from Tory plan) - too black & white but not acknowledging grey
    • 45mins - how dwp are involving ppl with disability in department/co designing policy (not just cutting awards - have double underlined 47mins as something that stood out to me)
    • 48mins - the increase in claims based on mental/behavioural health and question on upcoming pip reforms
    • 54mins - question about possibility of pip vouchers
    • 1hr - job centre plus reforms
    • 1hr8mins - asked to outline future plans for universal credit (timms seems to be in charge of leading the uc reforms)
    • 1hr10mins - transitional protections for those migrating to uc
    • 1hr11min - carers allowance
    • 1hr14mins - national living wage (similar system to how benefits amounts are set discussed?). Also the housing benefit rise
    • 1hr17mins - lha freeze/housing
    • 1hr21min - waspi woman
    • 1hr23min - safeguarding of vulnerable claimants
    • 1hr26min - past sec’s of state may of broken equality laws by not making adjustments for those with conditions - how will Kendall differ in this
    • 1hr31min - benefit cap and 2 child limit
    • 1hr37min - fraud and error in the welfare system (£10billion a yr) and the upcoming bill
    • 1hr44min - fraud and error bill safeguards
    • 1hr48min - benefits of dwp in Scotland and wales & devolved powers
    • 1hr51min - devolving powers to local areas so they can provide support to locals directly


    the link to the video again

    https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a3b3d338-fd31-4b72-ab5f-e5c926544e32


    interested to hear your thoughts @Albus_Scope

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,461 Championing

    I don't like the last one some job coach decides if fit for work and council having powers over council tax let's the government off Scott free

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 709 Trailblazing

    thank you for saying that @Jimm_Scope

    I’ve chosen to post timestamps rather than quotes of summary as I think that Kendall’s tone and body language is something that I can’t convey in writing and non verbal communication can be very subjective (especially when an autistic person is trying to read it) - I personally think it’s worth a listen as self informing (rather than relying on just relayed messaging) is important and I was very impressed by the committee members and I think that’s important for disabled to watch first hand

    I’d be interested to read your take Jimm if you have a chance to watch any of the video

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 709 Trailblazing

    I don’t believe that was discussed in the video link of the committee meeting I posted - do you have a ‘timestamp’ to where that was discussed

    (I remember you said you weren’t going to watch - is it possible you are referring to an old story and not something discussed in the committee meeting on Wednesday?)

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,461 Championing

    Sometimes I scan over writing so could be that and I really don't understand so I'm happy to hear your findings as you definitely know more than me

  • Summerlove
    Summerlove Community member Posts: 249 Empowering

    Thank you apples I've been too suicidal to look at it so just been replying to the comments about it?

    If it feels reassuring and you have not felt upset by it that encourages me to watch the video

    Thank you for posting the link .

    Cath maybe we should look for ourselves it may not be as bad as some are saying 💕

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,461 Championing

    I trust yours and apples finding I will skim pages oh summerlove I'm sorry you seem suffering and I'm asking all kinds of questions xx Thankyou apple85