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Migration from ESA Income Support LCWRA to UC

Alibaliboo

I have recently migrated over from ESA income support LCWRA and now claim UC (just received first payment). They have put me automatically on LCW, I have also have had a ESA reassessment, which is now being processed (awaiting outcome after additional reassessment phonecall), meantime had to get a fit/sick note from my doctor, as advised by my job centre plus. At present I am not fit for work and have my next phone appointment scheduled for February 2025. Hopefully my LCWRA won't change once I hear back from the ESA reassessment. If I go back onto LCWRA, will the extra money get backdated to my first payment, as I'm only getting the LCW payment at present?

I must say all of this process made me feel very anxious and unwell.

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Alibaliboo

It has been a bit haphazard, but some parts not as bad as others. I think some probably have had it easier than others, I guess it depends on who you get on the day, reading your info'. I just think it's unfortunate that the few spoil it for those of us genuine claimant's and therefore you have to prove your case to strangers. It is very stressful, but I guess they have to be thorough in their jobs.

I'm sure when your time comes, most will have moved over to UC and 'teething issues' will be resolved.

Take good care x

poppy123456

ESA Income support LCWRA? they are all completely different. If you were in the WRAG when you were claiming ESA and you reported changes to your health condition when you claimed UC and are found to have LCWRA then yes you'll receive extra money from the assessment period in which you reported the changes.

However, you also mention it's a ESA reassessment, was this review from when you claimed ESA and DWP actually started this review? If so then the extra money will be paid from the assessment period in which the decision was made.

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/944337#Comment_944337

Imbeciles? that's not nice, sorry. I know you have your thoughts and you're entitled to that. BUT many people claim UC without any issues at all. Remember you mostly only read the bad stories, naturally.

Alibaliboo

Sorry my head's in such a spin, I meant income-related ESA. I had a reassessment form sent, which I completed last December and, they have only recently given me an additional phone assessment to check everything I had submitted on the form, I believe they had a huge backlog and hence in has coincided which my migration.

poppy123456

Thank you. If this was a review started by ESA last December and you're found to have LCWRA then the extra money will be paid from the assessment period in which the decision is made. You will not be owed any money.

Alibaliboo

Oh OK, even though I was on LCWRA already? It's all a bit confusing as I thought if you go onto Universal credit as LCWRA you went over to that. Whether it's because I've had a reassessment, I really don't know, but my health hasn't changed.

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/944393#Comment_944393

I"m confused, you said your UC includes LCW, which isn't LCWRA. You also asked about extra money. If you were in the Support Group for ESA then your UC should already include the LCWRA element, which is £416.19/month. Your statement will tell you which one exactly it is. Not only that if you already have LCWRA you shouldn't be needing to attend any appointments. Fit notes are also not needed, regardless of which group you're in.

Alibaliboo

You're confused, lol, so am I Poppy, as yes, it states on my payment statement that it's LCW, for the standard payment and yet I moved over with LCWRA! Unfortunately it's another thing I need to sort out. I really don't know why this mix up has happened. My doctor and I both found it strange as to why I needed a fit note, but hey ho.

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/944462#Comment_944462

Hmm, if you weren't in the Support Group then you won't be entitled to LCWRA element from the start of your UC claim. It will only be LCW, which is the same as the work group for ESA. If your ESA claim started before April 2017 then yes you would be entitled to the extra money for LCW.

This does make sense because most reviews have been for those that either have LCW or are in the WRAG (work group) for ESA.

If you can tell me how much your ESA was per week then I can tell you which group you were likely to have been in.

Alibaliboo

Ah that would be most helpful. I was getting ESA every two weeks for the sum of £415.19

I looked to see if I had any paperwork, but can't find any for back in 2016 when I first received it.

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/944511#Comment_944511

Sorry, more information is needed before I can advise. Was the SDP included in that amount? If so what disability benefit award do you have exactly please? Sorry for all the questions but I can't give the correct advice without more information.

It will be tomorrow now when I reply because it's late and bed is calling.

Alibaliboo

I'm pretty sure I was found to have both limited capability for work and limited capability for work-related activity and was placed in the support group. I only ever had phone chats every once in a blue moon from the job centre.

I will see if I can find any paperwork tomorrow.

Many thanks for your help today.

Sleep well x

poppy123456

No problem. To be clear, you can't be found to have both. For ESA it's known as either WRAG or Support Group. LCW or LCWRA for UC. With Support Group and LCWRA you wouldn't have needed any appointments, even once in a while. It does seem like you were in the WRAG.

Community_Scope

Hi @ChrisSCOPEhtfc94 I understand moving over can seem scary, but you only hear about things when they go wrong, you don't hear about when things go right, so please be careful of your language as we don't want people getting scared for no reason, most people have no issues at all with the transfer. I've edited your comment to remove the uncivil langue toward the DWP staff.

Alibaliboo

Hi Poppy

I found my letter from January 2021

Is was broken down as follows:-

Your living expenses £--—

Extra money because you are severely disabled £-----

Limited capability for work addition £-----

Extra money because you are in the Work Related Activity Group £----

I honestly thought I was in the LCWRA support group, until now, because I was never asked to do any tasks by the job centre plus.

Thank you so much for your help.

Alibaliboo

*Extra money because you are severely disabled:-

Alibaliboo

So basically I got extra money for the following:-

. Living expenses.

. Extra money because severely disabled.

Then I got the limited capability for work addition:-

.Extra money because of being in the Work Related Activity Group

poppy123456

Thank you for returning with that information. It’s as i thought and you were in the WRAG. Your ESA included the SDP so your UC should also include Transitional Protection.

This means if your review for ESA was started by DWP and you’re found to have LCWRA then the extra money will only be paid from the assessment period in which the decision was made.

Unfortunately, with the Transitional Protection (TP) included in your UC this will erode with the addition of the LCWRA element. For this reason you may not be any better off. It will depend on how much the TP is. If it’s more than £416.19/month you will not be any financially better off.

Alibaliboo

Thank you for that Poppy.

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain it properly.

I know it's a little early, but I wish you a Happy Christmas and Healthy New Year to you and your family.

Take care,

Alison

Alibaliboo

Happy Christmas and Healthy New Year to you too Chris ☺️🧑‍🎄🌲🎁

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