Labour doubles down on slashing billions from DWP's disability benefits bill
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Best idea ever !!! If i could drive seriously i would save for one knowing my luck be like steptoe and sons horse and carriage id love to leave uk imagine sweden pure air fresh food totally diffrent lifestyle never really wished for anything big or major but to live with peace of mind not fearing for future imagine the only thing that will get us out of this system is work the one thing many of us cannot do
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Hhhh escape from alctraz last seen shouting Thier taking the mickey !!!
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Oh mickey your so fine your so fine you blow your pip hey mickey hey mickey for all those who are young is a song from 80s you can all tweak it
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Started with Daily Mail this morning if you have a severe mental health issues your exempt for council tax these papers so desprate !! Its like the wizard of oz the one they feared the most pulled back the curtain and he was a small scared little man we all need to take control back do whatever we can to show the goverment no more i keep saying same thing where do we start can someone email ellen clifford im going to subscribe to DNS and email john pring asking what we can do whats everyone else going to do today lets plan
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@Summerlove No I don't drive
@Catherine21 I've emailed so many lately,some numerous times, including ofcom as far as I'm concerned GB News should be closed down it's not a channel It's a disease.
@carbow32 I understand what you're saying, but voting reform will only spite one person and that's YOU, they want welfare and the NHS gone, have a look at their manifesto from last year.
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On disability news service
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https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-hides-updated-figures-on-life-threatening-errors-just-as-kendall-prepares-to-announce-cuts-and-reforms/
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@Nightcity do you follow the Good Law project? They have a petition going to have GBN shut down at the moment.
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Oh yes reform want whole welfare gone i know you do im taking a leaf out of your book not going to be scared anymore
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I saw it this morning, hopefully it will succeed.
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Like i said some extremly clued up people in this group ie yourselfs lets make a plan emails whatelse can we do i emailed john pring asking about joining subscription he was so kind shall we email him asking what we can do he responded strsight away im still having post checked so cant respond straight away
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I read the DNS article but won't go into detail, he was a paranoid schizophrenic and he lost his PIP entitlement? I'm not an expert but isn't paranoid schizophrenia is an extremely serious mental illness?
Yet certain sections of the media say that "mental illness is the new bad back" but they don't want us to know the harm the DWP has caused for many people, people who genuinely need that help.
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though on the bbc comments are very varied
I honestly don’t know which side of public opinion is going to be louder once reforms/cuts are officially announced
There are far to many online commentators supportive of huge cuts
issue is there’s not many articles being published by the major media sources that describes viewpoint from the disabled community (though I’ve read some disability journalists saying they’ve had problems selling their stories as disability is of ‘little public interest’What’s interesting is I never have read a journalist piece that’s balanced and considers both sides - the know argument on disability benefits is very black and white and prehaps there’d be more ppl stepping back and reevaluating views if they knew some of the gray
Is there an inspiring journalist in the scope forum - serious question?
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I recently tried to apply for pip and the things that were written in that report rejecting it have seriously affected me mentally, they use anything against you and outright lie and it’s crossed my mind to do a severe action I can’t come back from these past few days and acted on behaviours because I am in so much mental pain right now just to prove a point that I am sick enough. The papers I sent had all of this in them dating back 10 years that I used to do XYZ behaviour but apparently that’s not serious enough. If you can’t get treatment on the NHS and have no current input they’ll use that against you aswell as if that’s my fault that the NHS has abandoned me. I’m just taking the mickey though I guess. I think they want to push people to get them out the system so it’s one less bit of money to pay. Sorry to jump on your post and sorry if this is inappropriate to write here but it’s so bloody depressing.
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when you say that the number taking the mick is so small - I think everyone can agree that it’s a minority that try to gain advance in the welfare system and the majority of welfare claimants are doing everything above board.
But a minority of ppl could still add up to a large number of people
going by early 2024 stats - the number of ppl on incapacity benefits was 3.3million (that’s probably raised since)………1% of that is 33k claimants and 10% (still a pretty small minority though I’m not sure the percentage of ppl playing the system reaches as high up as 10% for either incapacity benefits or pip/dla - 5% max) would be 330k claimants
It would actually be good news if there was a large number playing the system or exaggerating the seriousness of their health/conditions - labour would be fully justified to go after these people fair and square and they would have less need to introduce cuts across the board
If everyone is on disability benefits is claiming for fair and valid reasons then that’s not great news in itself (if everyone contributed fairly to the £3b over 4 years the dwp currently have to claw back - then £3b divided evenly by the £3.3 million incapacity benefits that’s a £910 cut per claimant over 4 years so about £4.40 cut a week……………hang on a second, I’m just reading my maths and wouldn’t a 2-3 yrs freeze on all disability benefits net the treasury significantly more than the £3b and compared to all other recent ‘proposals’ published in the media the last 2 months I think it’s definitely a more swallowable option in comparison)
In the past when dwp have tightened criteria, the ‘mickey takers’ always manage to slip the net and it’s always the most vulnerable disabled claimants (with not a large support system or resources fighting in their corner, ‘it takes a village’ - those less able to fight with mr’s and tribunal) that end up being caught in the net………basically easy prey for the dwp - I don’t want to see that happen again (not because I’m worried about myself as I have a good village - I’m worried about those who have no one outside this forum)
But going back to my previous paragraph those calculations have really got me thinking:So the treasury and dwp are considering axing the support group/lcwra altogether (currently being awarded to 2.5million claimants)
The papers are reporting that claimants in this group would lose £5k a year (it’s actually £4990 but close enough) - £5k x 2.5million claimants would give the dwp £12.5billion a year saving on existing claimants (near to £40billion saving by the time of the next election)………and that’s before you add on the ‘savings’ from the upcoming ‘cost cutting exercise’ to the (as of Aug 2024) 4.3million in receipt of a dla or pip award
To summarise I think all this talk of getting disabled into work to better our health is codswallop as was reeves talk of finding ‘only’ £3b over 4 years - I don’t think this was ever about disabled being useful in society, this is solely about reeves making city workers (aka bankers and investors) happy and we are what? Acceptable collateral damage??
I know a lot of us on scope have very different views on the subject of politics, but that it’s in all of our best interests that reeves & Kendall lose their jobs (and labour get the message to get starmer to change tactics on the welfare system or oust him if he refuses - though less of you may agree with that part) - I for one am planning to be inspired by the stereotype of disabled being a ‘dead weight’ and be a stubborn anchor (for example many disabled ppl ‘mask’ their conditions and symptoms from society so not to be an inconvenience - which is exhausting and a full time job on its own……………prehaps regardless of whether we are in work or not we should stop masking or any type of conforming so we aren’t an inconvenience and see how well society functions then)I go back to thousands of disabled potentially being pushed to a situation of nothing left to lose………….more and more disabled online seem to be reaching their limit in the way they are treated - my saying of someone ‘going nuclear’ when no other option available is coming to mind (as well as taking someone down with me………I’d settle for polishing the hammer that hits the number in the coffin of certain ministers jobs)
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let’s not go crazy and consider reform at this point
Farage and co are only benefiting the same way labour did over the general election when voters strategically voted against the tories
Reform policies won’t just do harm to the disabled but also our families health (privatising nhs for example)
There’s around 4 years till the next ge is due in 2029…………….i think once labour backbenchers get closer to 2029 and/or feel like they will likely lose their seats they may not stay good little silent soldiers (plus I’m 50:50 if one of the more ambitious labour front benchers takes influence of sunak’s ‘backstabbing’ of Boris)
Politics is just a game to many career mp’s, and a ugly one at that!
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obviously PS is a v serious mental illness
But a question to all reading this that have issues with mental health
How many of you have ‘lashed out’ verbally and even physically when you feel you’ve been pushed too far and feel like you’re being backed into a corner & attacked
It’s basically fight or flight and many ppl with physical, physiological, mental or social disabled will hit that point (even though many of us are better bottling things up and ‘taking the hits’ compared to our abled counterparts’)
The substantial risk isn’t just to protect us, it is also there to protect others in society and labours push to get all disabled into work doesn’t just put our health in danger………………………
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I have Many times.
I am a soft,kind loving man but When I feel trapped (which is ALWAYS) because of the dwp I can and do get verbally aggressive, harm myself, plan (genuinely plan) an exit and my GP and carer have to step in and tell them to back off because It will end badly and they'll be sued.
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Apparently I’ve been actively looking for work and doing all our child’s medical appointments alone dealing with the school doing xyz my partner rang them and said have you written the report about the right person? As I’m lucky that he does anything involving a phone or a conversation regarding our family which was the reason I’m applying for pip in the first place because I do require so much help. But according to this assessor I’m Mary Poppins because I use online banking and order delivery (conveniently missed out that I can’t answer the door to the flipping deliveries) It’s shocking you can’t get treatment on the NHS I once had a cbt therapist call me annoying because I didn’t understand a worksheet, you can’t get PIP on lies from ‘healthcare professionals’ so you can’t access private health care then you’ve got Liz Kendall telling us we’re taking the mickey I think she’s taking the mickey if I’m honest with you.
@apple85 I’ve got EUPD and I’ve been know to do some pretty insane things when I’m stressed like throwing myself and my head into things, throwing things in a rage and saying awful things which I’m not proud of when I’m seriously triggered. It’s been described as ‘0-100 in 2 seconds’ would people like me do out of character things in times of crisis? If we’re pushed into poverty and misery and have nothing to lose then who knows. Kendall and friends have a seriously warped misconception of how difficult and traumatising it is to get any kind of benefits I don’t know how she thinks anyones being signed off permanently sick because they find working a supermarket job a bit too much for them. Goodness gracious it makes you despair.
sorry for the long very personal post (again lol)2
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