The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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The Tory green paper was better. Apart from their proposal of partially paying PIP in vouchers, the Tories' green paper was much preferable, as it was at least abolishing reassessment of the current claimants on LCWRA and was not cutting benefits to anyone, in addition to offering transitional protection.
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Exactly
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I know I actually got used to what they was proposing
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Rachel from accounts more like MFI furniture world
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This. How politicians approach Israeli apartheid towards Palestinians are how they'd treat everyone else if they could get away with it. Hence why so many of the most vocal right wingers/supporters of these benefit cuts are Zionists.
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The damn government is terrorising us. I've been in permanent turmoil since last Tuesday. Even when I having a short walk in the park to relax, I notice I'm talking to myself due to their terror.
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Thanks its the name of one of our cats lol
I totally agree with everything you are saying. There will not be enough jobs for the amount of people they now expect to work.
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Not quite.
Looking at disability issues through either the medical or social models is flawed. Using a mixed model approach is best, because it includes the strengths of both perspectives while addressing the drawbacks.
Also the true culprit behind all this is capitalist ideology, where disabled people (and other groups) who cannot contribute to the means of production are seen as defective. What you're describing is one of many arguments that capitalists and eugencists use to justify their agenda.
Agreed. So many issues plaguing British society can be fixed by addressing the housing crisis. That includes seizing second homes from landowners to reuse as council housing. There's more second homes than homeless people.
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Thanks to Scope I have looked at the consultation questions and stopped at question #2 because I was laughing so hard at the sheer audacity and stupidity of the question.
LadyTinks, it's really not worth imagining the worst when these are only proposals and there's a growing movement to quash them..
Don't torment yourself over what might happen with your benefits. Carry on enjoying your car (when you feel calmer) and your rail card. Nobody likes being stuck indoors do they?
What does question #2 ask?
I could do with a laugh 😄
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I can do the Highland Flick do you think that will go against me
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I know, though they now say labour hasn’t gone far enough as the Tory’s found £12b of savings. It’s as though they’re all trying to outdo each other in the battery of the disabled
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They should better deport us to Rwanda.
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the real nasty party . How unbelievable that whether a party in left or right etc they’re all united in their hate for the sick and disabled
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Yes me too. Almost 49 years working, paying into system. Some people can't even imagine what it's like to work almost half a century and still have to work. It's only now at 64 I'm going down the WCA route with the hope of getting LCWRA. I haven't even applied for PIP. Can't even get state pension till I'm 67 and they keep putting that up. Is anyone speaking up for the over 60s with ongoing, increased health issues or are forced to extend extra years of work?
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The Joseph rowntree had said that families would be worse off. Reeves dismissed it. Iian Duncan Smith, said on gb news that work coaches should get disabled people into work. Again dismissed mental health like anxiety and depression saying work is the cure. Honestly. Also why reeves needed the 5 billion of dwp cuts is that she needed that for the opr he said and as she messed up with the budget ,she needed it fast. So disabled were I expect easy target
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@Summerlove, thanks for your comment. In 1979 I'd already been working for two years. I was still 15 (3 months before my 16th birthday). Finished my O levels, left school and within the week was forced by my parents to go out and get a job to pay my way.. I got one (take any job offered I was told) 3 days later. No part time, flexi hours or claiming I'll health in those days. You worked 39 hpw. When I got my NI card in 1977 retirement age for women was 60 and remained so until 65 was fully implemented from 2010 - 2018. So really in my case (and many others like me) an extra 7 years has been added. People may or may not be living longer but that doesn't mean we are in the best of health. Now we are put through the wringer just to get some help for failing health, some of it age related or otherwise and we are classed as parasites and should be working as it's "good for our mental health" (not any more) and we should be contributing. Excuse me, what about the past 49 years (for me) of my contributions?
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oh I really hope they do vote no confidence. But who in the front bench has anymore empathy for us than Starmer ? Kendall though always looks vicious and ready for a fight . I really believe they think anyone that isn’t working is worthless and of no use . All they keep saying is they’re improving things for those who work .
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@secretsquirrel1 I don't think Kendall is entirely bad, though. She, when she was 49, altruistically allowed another woman to carry a baby for her. Such kindness to both the surrogate and the child.
Perhaps that's the sort of work she envisages for those of childbearing years in her new regime?
Sadly, I'm too old to become a brood mare for Kendall et al. The soup pot for me, I fear.
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You are right, they do view those of us not working or earning as a waste of space and also a drain on society but I say Stuff them because if they walked even just one day in our shoes then maybe they might drum up an ounce of empathy rather than the constant vilification towards us.
Peace out folks and please try to take a break from this thread because we all need to try and take care of ourselves.
Much love to all of you. X
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That’s a lesson right out of the Handmaid’s Tale isn’t it. With all the forthcoming layoffs to NHS England and hundreds of thousands in the civil service… we’re heading for Giliead. ‘Blessed be the Fruit’ my friends.. Starmer so so looks like a commander it’s scary.
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