Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I could agree with you more.
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Yes you are right, I had completely forgotten about lockdown. My guess is they were probably too busy telling us all to stay away from each other that they had forgotten they had decided to integrate the assessments ! and or conduct that said test/exploration ! I have no idea who would know what happened around this but what seems clear is that the idea of integrating both assessments into one single assessment has been a ''proposal'' for years, one that they now, despite any evidence from the said ''small scale test'' ( if it ever took place ) will be implemented no matter what.
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Who wrote this?
The 2019 Work and Pensions Secretary amber-rudd in a speech to SCOPE no less!
Location:ScopeDelivered on : 5 March 2019 (Transcript of the speech, exactly as it was delivered)Good afternoon.
I am delighted to be with you and I’d like to thank Scope for graciously hosting us here today.
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I’ve read the impact assessment published on Wednesday and there is no mention or impact assessment of the proposed changes regarding the merging of ESA CB & JSA CB into the new unemployment insurance
I also could not see an impact assessment for those losing the health element of UC once they scrap the WCA and don’t qualify to PIP.
So either they are dropping it, or if it’s still going ahead, it can be challenged as no impact assessment had been published, when there should have been one.
Again, I hope someone in legal charities will pick it up when they challenge all these proposals.
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Very well said! 👌 This is just how I feel about it myself.
I don't think that we ever could have imagined cuts quite as serious as this ever happening to us. However, the positive outcome of all this horror is that even other MP's, the MSM and the general public have been really shocked by the sheer depravity and cruelty of what has been done to us. Even the Patriotic Millionaires are behind us. (Do Google it if you haven't heard about them, I didn't realise that so many of the wealthy want to pay their way!)
I did think that there would be a turning point one day (I've been disabled and unable to work for 21 years) and I think that this is it. This (so called) government are so narcissistic, entitled and ideologicaly blinkered that they cannot see how deeply immoral and degenerate these cuts are. They must think that everyone else in this country thinks like they do and has no moral standards. Typical narcissistic behaviour.
Don't underestimate disability activist Ellen Clifford's part in bring our plight to the attention of the country, at last. Her victory at the high courts at the end of last year by having them rule it illegal to misrepresent disabled people in the way that the Tories did with their consultation on the WCA is a great triumph for us.
They had put the usual spin on it that we were all capable of working, getting ourselves a job and lifting ourselves out of poverty etc, all the usual lies they stuck to for all those years but it is now not possible legally for Reeves, Starmer, Kendall and all the other right wingers in Labour to hid behind convenient lies to mislead the public.
They can continue to put a certain amount of spin on it but, as the impact assessment HAD to show, the vast majority of what this green paper will achieve is terror, despair and much greater levels of poverty than we ever thought possible, in many cases leading to destitution and homelessness. That only a pathetically small number of us were ever going to find work, just 3%. That 97% of us would be vulnerable to these deverstating cuts! 😱
I think that a lot of people didn't realise how groundbreaking this high court ruling was, as the ace up the previous government's sleeve was always being able to hid what they were doing to us, with such BIG lies. Tall stories, if you ask me.
What a difference this has already meant to us already, if you are amazed at all the concern and sympathy we are already getting in places we just didn't expect to get it from! 🤗
I am convinced that because the government have hit such breathtakingly new lows in just how badly they will treat us, when they could get the money from elsewhere and because they are NOT allowed legally to lie about us any longer, that they are bringing so much trouble down on their heads.
If they don't believe it will happen because that type of highly flying, highly abusive person always thinks they are too powerful to fall, I think that they are going to have a very nasty surprise awaiting them! Which we all know that they REALLY TRULY deserve.
I can't really believe that I am saying all this, after all these years myself, this situation has only just come about in recent months. All I can say though is. WATCH THIS SPACE. I'm sure that it's going to continue to get very interesting! 👌
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Hi someone wrote on the other discussion page saying….
I am a pensioner on a light touch review every 10 years. I get high rates PIP for both Mobility and Daily Care. I was given 4 points on three of the daily living descriptors and 3 points on one descriptor . The letter I received at the time of the award stated that they would get in touch with me in Nov 2026 to see if my needs were the same. Do I have to worry regarding Labour’s proposals?….
I could not quote it from the other page to this one, I didn't know how :) I would like to know the answer to this too please because I'm in the same boat.
I got PIP for 10 years as well and I got 4 points in 4 different activities and it will be up for renew in about 2030 ish. Do I have to worry as well.
Thank you all and keep well.
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Considering only what has been proposed, you have no cause to worry.
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Thank you so much, like most, I dont understand any of this, that now has made me feel a lot contenter. Thank you very much.
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I received an email reply from the Equality and Human Rights Commission and I'll copy the most relevant bits of the email here:
"The Equality and Human Rights Commission is considering the Green Paper and the implications of the outlined changes for people with protected characteristics, including disabled people.
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is obligated to have considered the equality impact of the proposed benefit reforms on disabled people.
The Public Sector Equality Duty (PSED) requires government departments to have due regard for how their policies and decisions affect people with protected characteristics.
You may also wish to contact the Equality Advisory and Support Service (EASS). EASS was set up to provide advice and assistance to individuals on issues relating to equality and human rights."
I guess it's good to know that they're looking into it. I know it's a generic response (at least to me) but I can imagine they've had a high demand recently and they can probably only say so much. The more complaints that are written in, the better. I'm going to contact the EASS later on today, need to draft an email to send to them. Just going to ask them what options we have, what we're able to do. All of this constant writing is so tiring but it's for a good cause which is keeping me going.
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I read can challenge freezing pip and discrimination towards mental health
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I agree they will be in and out I'd court from farmers schools elderly disabled child benefit cap anything more ?
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Thanks for this. Definitely feeling more optimistic now :)
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Do remember, the government giveth and the government taketh away. No matter whether you are a pensioner or a claiment, they make the rules and laws and if either doesn't meet their needs, then they keep changing it till it does🚷
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ElizaRose
It seems to me that an mp will not back you in times of change. I once claimed DLA and Income support for osteo and a kidney operation and diabetes doesn't count, this all ended eight years ago.
I got fed up with jumping through hoops, I do suffer and suffered from chronic anxiety all my life, but in my opinion and only mine, I don't think claiming pip or benefits for this will help you. Getting out and about, making your own decisions in life, and working did me the world of good for me and it's still the same to this day. If you let anxiety get a grip of and control your life, then you will always be a prisoner to it.
I see it all over this forum and not one of them have mentioned have they enjoy the outdoors, even if it's only in the garden for a few days to start with, just build on that and try to not rely on the state as they won't help you I'm afraid.
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It's not a problem! It definitely adds a little bit of hope for us that organisations are investigating in this. I can understand the stress that writing these letters can cause us on top of trying to cope this past week. It's been a hard week for all. I'll continue to keep pushing and doing as much as I can. I seem to be fixated on this at the moment so I might as well put this energy and anger to good use.
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You're very welcome! 😊
I'm so pleased to have made you feel happier about life. I'm really glad I could help. 🤗
Thanks for messaging me and do take care. 👍
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the stink they have caused is going to get worse. They don't understand the implications.
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EHRC In 2017, the Equality and Human Rights Commission commissioned Aubergine Analysis and Landman Economics to work with the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) to carry out a cumulative impact assessment (CIA) of the distributional impacts of tax and spending decisions on people sharing different protected characteristics.
We also examine the impact on the right to an adequate standard of living, as measured by relative poverty and the Minimum Income Standard measure published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF) (2017).
Our 2015 report, ‘Future fair financial decision-making’, made a number of recommendations for the UK Government’s approach to future Spending Reviews (and tax and spending decisions more broadly) in the context of the Public Sector Equality Duty (PSED).
A key focus of those recommendations was that HM Treasury (HMT) should extend its analysis of the aggregate distributional impacts of tax and spending decisions to analyse the aggregate impact of decisions on people sharing different protected characteristics – that is, carry out a CIA (EHRC, 2015).
At the time of writing (February 2018), HMT had not acted on this recommendation.
The project forms part of our detailed programme of work on welfare reform, including a comprehensive literature review by NIESR on recent welfare reforms and welfare-to-work programmes (Hudson-Sharp et al., 2018)
The cumulative impact of tax and welfare reforms
Our analysis shows that, overall, changes to taxes, benefits, tax credits and UC announced since 2010 are regressive, however measured – that is, the largest impacts are felt by those with lower incomes. Moreover, the analysis shows that
• Negative impacts are particularly large for households with more disabled members, and more severely disabled individuals, as well as for lone parents on low incomes.
• Around one and a half million more children are forecast to be living in households below the relative poverty line as a result of the reforms. These negative impacts are largely driven by changes to the benefit system, in particular the freeze in working-age benefit rates, changes to disability benefits and reductions in UC rates. The changes are also likely to lead to significant increases in the number of children (in particular) below a minimum acceptable standard of living.
Our review of progress since our 2015 report also suggests that considerable work still needs to be done to ensure that equality considerations are fully incorporated into decision making by HMT, and more broadly across the UK Government.
However, despite high-level commitments to ensuring that equality considerations are properly taken into account in financial decisions, and some indication that progress has been made internally on data quality and availability issues, there is little concrete evidence that the specific recommendations have been properly considered or acted upon. The published Impact on Equalities Analysis and the distributional analysis to accompany the 2015 Spending Review do not appear to represent any significant progress from comparable documents produced in 2010.
The continuing lack of evidence of an assessment of the cumulative impact on protected groups does not appear consistent with the PSED.
We therefore recommend that, as a matter of urgency, the UK Government reviews the level of welfare benefits to ensure that they provide an adequate standard of living for households who rely partially or wholly on transfer payments.
Specific reforms that have a particularly adverse impact on living standards for particular groups include
• The reassessment of the caseload of DLA payments for PIP (we note, however, that these impacts will be substantially mitigated as a result of the recent High Court judgment against the UK Government). This has a disproportionate impact on disabled people, especially the most severely disabled.
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Yes, it does seem that they are determined to upset as many people as they can, with plenty of issues going through the high court. We really don't seem to be in a democracy any longer. 😒
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HeHello, im new here but have been following various threads since the welfare changes were announced. Like many of you I am worried sick, I have been ill since the announcements.
I just wanted to ask your opinions, and also pick your brains on the things you've learnt/read about with regards to these changes etc
I have had significant trauma in my life going back many years, the result of which I've been diagnosed with complex PTSD, clinical depression, anxiety disorder, fibromyalgia, chronic IBS amongst other things.
I'm under the care of a mental health team, I see my mh nurse regularly and my psychiatrist, and I'm on various medication.
My daughter, who has also suffered trauma is in therapy, and I home school her.
I was awarded LCWRA at the beginning of 2023, and PIP July 2024. My LCWRA does not have a review date on it, but my PIP was awarded until summer 2027.
On my PIP assessment I scored 4 points for one of the daily living categories.
So, my question is, given all of the above, and the fact that my health is not improving, do you think I'd be affected by the welfare changes and if so, in what way?
Or, when my PIP reassessment is due, considering I got 4 points before and my health and circumstances has not improved, do you think I'd do so again?
I'm extremely worried about them wanting to scrap the LCWRA, and make PIP harder to qualify for. It is shocking that this is happening. So many people are going to be affected, left destitute and in worse health. I can't believe this is all happening under a Labour government. So long as they're OK, sod the rest of us mentality. I don't know how they sleep at night.
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