Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • Stellar
    Stellar Community Member Posts: 486 Pioneering

    Thanks for this. Definitely feeling more optimistic now :)

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Posts: 89 Empowering

    Do remember, the government giveth and the government taketh away. No matter whether you are a pensioner or a claiment, they make the rules and laws and if either doesn't meet their needs, then they keep changing it till it does🚷

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Posts: 89 Empowering

    ElizaRose

    It seems to me that an mp will not back you in times of change. I once claimed DLA and Income support for osteo and a kidney operation and diabetes doesn't count, this all ended eight years ago.

    I got fed up with jumping through hoops, I do suffer and suffered from chronic anxiety all my life, but in my opinion and only mine, I don't think claiming pip or benefits for this will help you. Getting out and about, making your own decisions in life, and working did me the world of good for me and it's still the same to this day. If you let anxiety get a grip of and control your life, then you will always be a prisoner to it.

    I see it all over this forum and not one of them have mentioned have they enjoy the outdoors, even if it's only in the garden for a few days to start with, just build on that and try to not rely on the state as they won't help you I'm afraid.

  • calflye
    calflye Community Member Posts: 109 Empowering

    It's not a problem! It definitely adds a little bit of hope for us that organisations are investigating in this. I can understand the stress that writing these letters can cause us on top of trying to cope this past week. It's been a hard week for all. I'll continue to keep pushing and doing as much as I can. I seem to be fixated on this at the moment so I might as well put this energy and anger to good use.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    @Stellar

    You're very welcome! 😊

    I'm so pleased to have made you feel happier about life. I'm really glad I could help. 🤗

    Thanks for messaging me and do take care. 👍

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Community Member Posts: 505 Empowering

    the stink they have caused is going to get worse. They don't understand the implications.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,826 Championing
    edited March 2025

    EHRC In 2017, the Equality and Human Rights Commission commissioned Aubergine Analysis and Landman Economics to work with the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) to carry out a cumulative impact assessment (CIA) of the distributional impacts of tax and spending decisions on people sharing different protected characteristics.

    We also examine the impact on the right to an adequate standard of living, as measured by relative poverty and the Minimum Income Standard measure published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF) (2017).

    Our 2015 report, ‘Future fair financial decision-making’, made a number of recommendations for the UK Government’s approach to future Spending Reviews (and tax and spending decisions more broadly) in the context of the Public Sector Equality Duty (PSED).

    A key focus of those recommendations was that HM Treasury (HMT) should extend its analysis of the aggregate distributional impacts of tax and spending decisions to analyse the aggregate impact of decisions on people sharing different protected characteristics – that is, carry out a CIA (EHRC, 2015).

    At the time of writing (February 2018), HMT had not acted on this recommendation.

    The project forms part of our detailed programme of work on welfare reform, including a comprehensive literature review by NIESR on recent welfare reforms and welfare-to-work programmes (Hudson-Sharp et al., 2018)

    The cumulative impact of tax and welfare reforms

    Our analysis shows that, overall, changes to taxes, benefits, tax credits and UC announced since 2010 are regressive, however measured – that is, the largest impacts are felt by those with lower incomes. Moreover, the analysis shows that

    Negative impacts are particularly large for households with more disabled members, and more severely disabled individuals, as well as for lone parents on low incomes.

    Around one and a half million more children are forecast to be living in households below the relative poverty line as a result of the reforms. These negative impacts are largely driven by changes to the benefit system, in particular the freeze in working-age benefit rates, changes to disability benefits and reductions in UC rates. The changes are also likely to lead to significant increases in the number of children (in particular) below a minimum acceptable standard of living.

    Our review of progress since our 2015 report also suggests that considerable work still needs to be done to ensure that equality considerations are fully incorporated into decision making by HMT, and more broadly across the UK Government.

    However, despite high-level commitments to ensuring that equality considerations are properly taken into account in financial decisions, and some indication that progress has been made internally on data quality and availability issues, there is little concrete evidence that the specific recommendations have been properly considered or acted upon. The published Impact on Equalities Analysis and the distributional analysis to accompany the 2015 Spending Review do not appear to represent any significant progress from comparable documents produced in 2010.

    The continuing lack of evidence of an assessment of the cumulative impact on protected groups does not appear consistent with the PSED.

    We therefore recommend that, as a matter of urgency, the UK Government reviews the level of welfare benefits to ensure that they provide an adequate standard of living for households who rely partially or wholly on transfer payments.

    Specific reforms that have a particularly adverse impact on living standards for particular groups include

    • The reassessment of the caseload of DLA payments for PIP (we note, however, that these impacts will be substantially mitigated as a result of the recent High Court judgment against the UK Government). This has a disproportionate impact on disabled people, especially the most severely disabled.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    @Catherine21

    Yes, it does seem that they are determined to upset as many people as they can, with plenty of issues going through the high court. We really don't seem to be in a democracy any longer. 😒

  • anon85
    anon85 Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    HeHello, im new here but have been following various threads since the welfare changes were announced. Like many of you I am worried sick, I have been ill since the announcements.

    I just wanted to ask your opinions, and also pick your brains on the things you've learnt/read about with regards to these changes etc

    I have had significant trauma in my life going back many years, the result of which I've been diagnosed with complex PTSD, clinical depression, anxiety disorder, fibromyalgia, chronic IBS amongst other things.

    I'm under the care of a mental health team, I see my mh nurse regularly and my psychiatrist, and I'm on various medication.

    My daughter, who has also suffered trauma is in therapy, and I home school her.

    I was awarded LCWRA at the beginning of 2023, and PIP July 2024. My LCWRA does not have a review date on it, but my PIP was awarded until summer 2027.

    On my PIP assessment I scored 4 points for one of the daily living categories.

    So, my question is, given all of the above, and the fact that my health is not improving, do you think I'd be affected by the welfare changes and if so, in what way?

    Or, when my PIP reassessment is due, considering I got 4 points before and my health and circumstances has not improved, do you think I'd do so again?

    I'm extremely worried about them wanting to scrap the LCWRA, and make PIP harder to qualify for. It is shocking that this is happening. So many people are going to be affected, left destitute and in worse health. I can't believe this is all happening under a Labour government. So long as they're OK, sod the rest of us mentality. I don't know how they sleep at night.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,826 Championing
    edited March 2025

    ..cont EHRC 2018 (The cumulative impact of tax and welfare reforms)

    Improving the transparency of decision-making

    We make the following recommendations to HMT:

    • In advance of the next Spending Review, HMT should publish a detailed explanation of the process by which it will ensure that the Spending Review process is fully compliant with the PSED.

    • HMT should convene an independent advisory group, based on the model of the 2010 Independent Challenge Group, to advise on the equality impact of the next Spending Review. The Independent Challenge Group provided internal advice on the likely impacts of the Spending Review and had both internal and external representation.

    All fiscal events (Budgets and Spending Reviews) should be accompanied by an equality impact assessment (EIA). This should incorporate a CIA of the impact on protected groups, showing how distributional impacts vary across groups. In addition, the EIA should discuss and explain any major disparities in outcomes that adversely impact protected groups.

    HMT should prepare a CIA for each fiscal event, as well as analyse the impact of key individual tax or social security measures.

  • Naz4
    Naz4 Community Member Posts: 41 Contributor

    I'm of the opinion now that we do have a continuous government with a mirage of choice. And my choice of description would be globalist policies, where all but the richest are considered worthy.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,102 Pioneering

    I disagree with your conclusions. The state is obliged to take care of the disabled and pensioners. Otherwise, what is it needed for?

  • Stellar
    Stellar Community Member Posts: 486 Pioneering
  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Posts: 89 Empowering

    Be under no illusions, if they're attacking disable people, then they're attacking everyone without a voice. I'm being realistic here when I say they're coming after everyone including pensioners, mental health and disabled. She mentioned the other day about taxing pensioners. They are not obligated to give you anything, when I claimed my pension, they said I hadn't paid any stamp since I left school, so I asked them who payed my stamp when I was in the air force.

    They hung up and called me back an hour later saying I would get a full pension with add on's. But I can't claim AA or Pension credit because I get £5 too much. But in contrast anyone can claim PiP, whether you're rich or poor, nothing makes sense with parliament anymore. But good luck with your fight to keep your money. But if you think they care, then think again, they don't.

    You may as well live another world as far as they're concerned.

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Posts: 89 Empowering

    It's not being discriminating, it's being real. just think logical and you'll see the light. They're after everyone, so tell me about discrimination, I've lost my money and for once I'm happy not being under their control. I get flat pension and that's all, still got all the disabilities but no money. You can't fight these buggers, they change the rules when they're losing.🚷

  • Maggie37
    Maggie37 Community Member Posts: 79 Empowering

    I’m not sure what points you are trying to make or add by your comments. I’m glad that the outdoors helps you.. for some people that is impossible health wise. I’m glad that you can manage your anxiety.. for some people that it’s like a tiger has entered the room? By your own admission you are not considered disabled so why are you giving negative, frightening feedback to those who are disabled stating they will never be helped??

    I’m sorry about your inability to get Pension credit, perhaps you can find a thread on here that will be informative about that but please refrain from scaring those who are disabled about their future, I think at best you have strayed into the wrong thread.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing
  • charlie72
    charlie72 Community Member Posts: 259 Pioneering

    just says this video is no longer available, is it not on then?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi everyone,

    Just to say there’s a new petition by Charlie Anderson called stop the 4 point rule. You can find the link on her YouTube video she just put up. Sorry I don’t know how to post links .

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