Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Personally I wouldn't listen to that Noah woman on youtube, she is saying this will go through and seems to think the changes are a good thing .
Perhaps she is controlled opposition ?
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It makes no difference now what political parties are called - the "deep state", according to my observations, about 15 years ago decided to cut actual payments to pensioners and the disabled.
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It is becoming increasingly clear that the "social model of disability" was "invented" in the interests of the ruling classes. With the medical model, the government would not be able to easily and quickly escalate discrimination against the disabled as it does now.
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Thank you WhatThe for sharing all the information around the combining the two assessments. I have only read it a couple of times, need to read it again when my meds kick in 😁
this part still appears unanswered
Secondly, we will test the feasibility of using a single assessment to determine eligibility for PIP, and ESA-Universal Credit.Building on the integrated service, we want to simplify claimants’ participation in these processes even further.We have listened to the concerns of those who feel they are being asked for the same information at face-to-face assessments for different benefits.We willthereforeexplore how a single assessment could improve the experience of those who apply for PIP and ESA-Universal Credit at the same time.It would be nice to know what the outcome of that exploration was ? if indeed they ever did explore it. The idea has, it seems been around for some time and it appears this government has seen a huge advantage in now bringing this single assessment to fruition, with or without the said exploration/test. Still a lot to mull over later but much of it seems to just be the same old same old apart from, the niggling to me part around the test/exploration 😁Thanks again for sharing this.
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The Work and Pensions Secretary's speech announcing new measures to support disabled people, including stopping unnecessary reassessments for disabled pensioners.It was a speech given in 2019 Catherine. It is interesting in that the Government at that time were considering combining the assessments for PIP, UC, ESA etc into just one but they were proposing conducting a small scale test/exploration first to see how if it would work. I really want to know if that exploration was ever conducted and if it was what were the outcomes.
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mrsBB,
First, we are creating an integrated service for PIP and Work Capability Assessments from 2021How do we find out what happened to this because of lockdown? I just don't know. Did they not create an integrated service for PIP and WCA claimants?? They had plenty of time to do that.
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I am highest rate pip and I only ever get 3 year awards.
Its ludicrous to keep reassessing us and a waste of money.
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I agree , there is a video on youtube from a news channel cannot remember the name , but it is saying the UK government are run by the 'deep state' cabal .
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Who wrote this?
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I could agree with you more.
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Yes you are right, I had completely forgotten about lockdown. My guess is they were probably too busy telling us all to stay away from each other that they had forgotten they had decided to integrate the assessments ! and or conduct that said test/exploration ! I have no idea who would know what happened around this but what seems clear is that the idea of integrating both assessments into one single assessment has been a ''proposal'' for years, one that they now, despite any evidence from the said ''small scale test'' ( if it ever took place ) will be implemented no matter what.
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Who wrote this?
The 2019 Work and Pensions Secretary amber-rudd in a speech to SCOPE no less!
Location:ScopeDelivered on : 5 March 2019 (Transcript of the speech, exactly as it was delivered)Good afternoon.
I am delighted to be with you and I’d like to thank Scope for graciously hosting us here today.2 -
Very well said! 👌 This is just how I feel about it myself.
I don't think that we ever could have imagined cuts quite as serious as this ever happening to us. However, the positive outcome of all this horror is that even other MP's, the MSM and the general public have been really shocked by the sheer depravity and cruelty of what has been done to us. Even the Patriotic Millionaires are behind us. (Do Google it if you haven't heard about them, I didn't realise that so many of the wealthy want to pay their way!)
I did think that there would be a turning point one day (I've been disabled and unable to work for 21 years) and I think that this is it. This (so called) government are so narcissistic, entitled and ideologicaly blinkered that they cannot see how deeply immoral and degenerate these cuts are. They must think that everyone else in this country thinks like they do and has no moral standards. Typical narcissistic behaviour.
Don't underestimate disability activist Ellen Clifford's part in bring our plight to the attention of the country, at last. Her victory at the high courts at the end of last year by having them rule it illegal to misrepresent disabled people in the way that the Tories did with their consultation on the WCA is a great triumph for us.
They had put the usual spin on it that we were all capable of working, getting ourselves a job and lifting ourselves out of poverty etc, all the usual lies they stuck to for all those years but it is now not possible legally for Reeves, Starmer, Kendall and all the other right wingers in Labour to hid behind convenient lies to mislead the public.
They can continue to put a certain amount of spin on it but, as the impact assessment HAD to show, the vast majority of what this green paper will achieve is terror, despair and much greater levels of poverty than we ever thought possible, in many cases leading to destitution and homelessness. That only a pathetically small number of us were ever going to find work, just 3%. That 97% of us would be vulnerable to these deverstating cuts! 😱
I think that a lot of people didn't realise how groundbreaking this high court ruling was, as the ace up the previous government's sleeve was always being able to hid what they were doing to us, with such BIG lies. Tall stories, if you ask me.
What a difference this has already meant to us already, if you are amazed at all the concern and sympathy we are already getting in places we just didn't expect to get it from! 🤗
I am convinced that because the government have hit such breathtakingly new lows in just how badly they will treat us, when they could get the money from elsewhere and because they are NOT allowed legally to lie about us any longer, that they are bringing so much trouble down on their heads.
If they don't believe it will happen because that type of highly flying, highly abusive person always thinks they are too powerful to fall, I think that they are going to have a very nasty surprise awaiting them! Which we all know that they REALLY TRULY deserve.
I can't really believe that I am saying all this, after all these years myself, this situation has only just come about in recent months. All I can say though is. WATCH THIS SPACE. I'm sure that it's going to continue to get very interesting! 👌
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Hi someone wrote on the other discussion page saying….
I am a pensioner on a light touch review every 10 years. I get high rates PIP for both Mobility and Daily Care. I was given 4 points on three of the daily living descriptors and 3 points on one descriptor . The letter I received at the time of the award stated that they would get in touch with me in Nov 2026 to see if my needs were the same. Do I have to worry regarding Labour’s proposals?….
I could not quote it from the other page to this one, I didn't know how :) I would like to know the answer to this too please because I'm in the same boat.
I got PIP for 10 years as well and I got 4 points in 4 different activities and it will be up for renew in about 2030 ish. Do I have to worry as well.
Thank you all and keep well.
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Considering only what has been proposed, you have no cause to worry.
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Thank you so much, like most, I dont understand any of this, that now has made me feel a lot contenter. Thank you very much.
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I received an email reply from the Equality and Human Rights Commission and I'll copy the most relevant bits of the email here:
"The Equality and Human Rights Commission is considering the Green Paper and the implications of the outlined changes for people with protected characteristics, including disabled people.
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is obligated to have considered the equality impact of the proposed benefit reforms on disabled people.
The Public Sector Equality Duty (PSED) requires government departments to have due regard for how their policies and decisions affect people with protected characteristics.
You may also wish to contact the Equality Advisory and Support Service (EASS). EASS was set up to provide advice and assistance to individuals on issues relating to equality and human rights."
I guess it's good to know that they're looking into it. I know it's a generic response (at least to me) but I can imagine they've had a high demand recently and they can probably only say so much. The more complaints that are written in, the better. I'm going to contact the EASS later on today, need to draft an email to send to them. Just going to ask them what options we have, what we're able to do. All of this constant writing is so tiring but it's for a good cause which is keeping me going.
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Thanks for this. Definitely feeling more optimistic now :)
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Do remember, the government giveth and the government taketh away. No matter whether you are a pensioner or a claiment, they make the rules and laws and if either doesn't meet their needs, then they keep changing it till it does🚷
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ElizaRose
It seems to me that an mp will not back you in times of change. I once claimed DLA and Income support for osteo and a kidney operation and diabetes doesn't count, this all ended eight years ago.
I got fed up with jumping through hoops, I do suffer and suffered from chronic anxiety all my life, but in my opinion and only mine, I don't think claiming pip or benefits for this will help you. Getting out and about, making your own decisions in life, and working did me the world of good for me and it's still the same to this day. If you let anxiety get a grip of and control your life, then you will always be a prisoner to it.
I see it all over this forum and not one of them have mentioned have they enjoy the outdoors, even if it's only in the garden for a few days to start with, just build on that and try to not rely on the state as they won't help you I'm afraid.
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