Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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as far as I know as there is no mention in the green paper regarding any changes to income based esa
All income based esa is due to migrate to UC by end of 2025 though
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Thanks does that mean the amount people receive will stay same, would I need reassessment, does it affect pip. UC is same just housing benefit paid into it so have to organise standing order I think to pay it out of UC? Maybe I'm wrong it's all confusing. Thanks
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It would take years to get toxicity out of job centres it's so depressing all of this day after day something different no one knows thier futures
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Yes your right already started with all checks god this is so depressing
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But how can they get away with it all and it's not just people with MH people with bad backs the lot
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Once your pushed off lwcra it's our problem and replying for health benefit will be impossible they are also looking at fit notes someone put on here they will be ok till 2030 well lwcra abolished 2028 will we all be reassessed for health benefit it's becoming all to real with we going to do if can't work wouldn't put it past starmer to stop MR and tribunals
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@Catherine21 I thought that too about stopping MR and then Tribunals - it came to my mind the minute Liz Kendall stated about calls being recorded.
I'll be recording any calls with them going forward myself.
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I think your ESA IB once goes to UC, it will become LCWRA? I’m not sure maybe somebody else can help you with that.
If it does, then the amount you get will be frozen until 2030.
Any future elegibility for LCWRA will depend on your future PIP reassessment. Which will take place once your current awards ends.
So nothing changes for you until your next PIP assessment.
However, they are talking on bringing back the WCA, (for a limited time, till 2028) to start reassessing people. When is this due to happen, I don’t think nothing has been announced yet. Whether if you’ll be reassessed for WCA nobody knows as I can imagine there are new claims taking place and those will have priority. So you might not be reassessed for WCA after all.
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Thanks very much I'm unsure if I get lcwra, I find it overwhelming so all I can do is wait for the brown envelopes 😔
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I'm 61 this year , I can't hear well even with hearing aids in , I have agoraphobia , health phobia , sleep apnea , frightened of germs, so I doubt they will find me a job , unless they provide a tent so no germs can get me, also from surgery i have nerve damage , can't stand or sit for long , I don't think they are coming for me I don't know how old you are , but when my pip ends next year I will be nearly 62. I've never worked so no skills , no education , no confidence .
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I'm wondering whether that would be legal/what kind of legislation would be necessary to enable it. But honestly, with DLA I never had an assessment, because it wasn't needed. They had all the evidence and they reached a conclusion and it was painless. Whereas PIP they had an assessment and all my evidence (I recorded my assessment but it bears little resemblance to either the assessment report or the decision letter). MR was even worse. Tribunal was hellish but they did actually review my evidence and so awarded me the same as the DLA had years before. All that expense to the tax payer which could have been avoided by just shifting me from DLA to PIP equivalent with a check that nothing had changed.
This is what I would rather see done. People not needing to go to MR or tribunal because the job is done right the first time around.So many articles demonising neurodivergence of late. Some very hateful. There are also some articles claiming autistic people are least at risk, but this is garbage. Anyone with autism or ADHD who has claimed PIP has probably been through war to get it. There are countless people out there who tried but fell at the first hurdle because the assessment destroyed them :/
Every time a govt minister conflates PIP with ESA, I just want to scream. Understanding which benefit is which and what each one does is the baseline for trying to make changes. If you don't understand/want to understand the difference you shouldn't be 'amending' them, much less claiming it's moral. It's not moral to put 3.2 million people, mostly disabled people, into poverty.
Going to reiterate what I said before. Even if the questions on the consultation don't ask what you want to say, still fill it in. Add whatever you think they should know. They can refuse to ask but we should still take the opportunity to tell them :)
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I'd love at least one journalist/reporter/MP in WM to ask them to define the 'moral code' they insist they are following.
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Dear Mr Lee,I acknowledge receipt of your communication concerning the Government’s proposed changes to disability and other benefits.As you will be aware from the Secretary of State’s Statement recently we have yet to learn of the details of the proposed changes. We should, perhaps, take some comfort from the fact that the Government has made it clear that those with debilitating long-term conditions should not have their benefits affected adversely and that those benefits may possibly be enhanced.Do feel free to contact me again once the details have been confirmed and published. Also, if I can assist you personally, please do let me know.With my best wishes,Yours sincerely,ROGERFrom:Robert Lee<bigboblee2001@yahoo.co.uk>Sent:Friday, April 4, 2025 5:32 PMTo:GALE, Roger<GALERJ@parliament.uk>Subject:I’m worried about benefit cutsDear Sir Roger,The fear and anxiety is through the roof I broke down twice now in engaging with DWP personnel how many more have and what effect has this caused on health? I’m writing to you as a constituent in Herne Bay and Sandwich to ask you to call on the Prime Minister to protect our social security system for people with mental health problems.Our social security system should support everyone - especially those who need it most. But the announcement of £4.8bn in cuts to social security for disabled people is terrifying for people with mental health problems. The government’s own impact assessment estimates that these plans will push a further 250,000 people into poverty. Other estimates are already showing these figures will actually be even higher. And some of the most damaging changes aren’t even being included in the government consultation, which means those of us with real experience of mental health problems aren’t getting a say.People with mental health problems already struggle to access the support they need through our current benefits system. Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is supposed to help people cover the extra costs associated with their disability. Research has clearly demonstrated that life costs more for people with mental health problems. PIP is designed to help people to live more independent lives, and sometimes support them to overcome barriers to work. It enables people with mental health problems to pay for support like taxi fares when public transport feels impossible, help with chores due to fatigue, or higher food costs due to difficulties making food from scratch. Further restricting access to PIP will only make it harder for people to get the support they need.On top of this, the cuts to health-related payments from Universal Credit (UC) will only push more people with mental health problems into poverty. This could lead to a cycle of people being unable to pay for their basic needs and their mental health getting worse as a result.The UK government has said that these changes are needed because the benefits system is broken, and they want to help people get into work. People with mental health problems who’ve tried to get support know that the system is broken better than most. But harsh cuts to support is not the answer. This will make it harder for people to get into work and will only make the system more broken.Meanwhile, there are currently 1.6 million people on mental health waiting lists. Many of those people rely on the social security system as their safety net. The wait for treatment is worsening their mental health, increasing physical health problems, and deepening financial stress. Many people find themselves losing their jobs while waiting for support.Cuts like these are also likely to mean higher costs for the government in the long run. Even though the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) forecasts direct savings, it doesn’t consider the wider impact of these measures. Pushing more people receiving benefits into poverty will likely increase costs for other public services like the NHS, social care, children’s services, and housing services too.Will you write to the Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, today and call on him to urgently stop these harmful cuts to support for disabled people and people with mental health problems? The UK government must:- Urgently stop plans to restrict access to PIP- Urgently stop plans to cut the rate of the health element of UC- Ensure the health element of UC continues to grow at least in line with inflationThe mental health charity, Mind, will be sending you a briefing with more detail on the points above. You may find this helpful when writing to the Prime Minister. Thank you for taking the time to read my email. I look forward to your response.Kind regards,Robert Lee,Parliament Disclaimer: this e-mail is confidential to the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Any unauthorised use, disclosure, or copying is not permitted. This e-mail has been checked for viruses, but no liability is accepted for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This e-mail address is not secure, is not encrypted and should not be used for sensitive data.
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Ah, that old chestnut: If you're genuine(*) you have nothing to fear. In fact you may receive a bonus.
Sounds a bit like: If you've nothing to hide, then you won't mind us snooping around your personal/confidential communications.
(*) Genuine = unwell enough to be awarded four points on one question in PIP, and an overall total of 8 or above. (Assuming the points at which awards are made remain the same).
Not Genuine = multiple conditions, affecting you cumulatively across every aspect of your life, scoring you 20+ points but no four point award in any category.
This entire proposal is a farce. A very dangerous farce.
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Yep the old Deserving/undeserving argument
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Did I read somewhere that those who are unaffected by these cuts (ie medically - the worst) may receive increased benefits ?
If this is the EXTREMELY UNFAIR way ahead - how do they calculate the savings ?
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I suspect that is government speak like when they say you would be better off on benefits while in work.
Oh, they will make plenty of money from this reform don't you worry about that. It will be in the 100s of billions over the course of the next few decades because they are reforming this for future claimants also not just the people who are on it now.
They will make so much money that they will have enough to pass around as toilet paper in their government parties. They will be laughing and enjoying going to concerts and holidays, eating in nice restaurants, going to events, dancing and partying, and making more and more money while we will be suffering and worrying everyday about money. We won't let it happen. They can not get away with it.
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Even the most severely disabled as they put it may not get the 4 points so that reply from the MP was pointless .
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I think they mean those who currently do not receive/have not applied for PIP may meet a higher criteria (payment) than they currently receive via only LCWRA when they are forced to apply/be reviewed under the one-assessment process,
But, as I'm not a Tory of any shade (red or blue) I'm probably wrong.
However, you can bet your sweet booty the first person to whom this happens will receive wall-to-wall, 24/7 media coverage to allow the Red Tories to pretend their 'moral crusade' is justified.
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Trump has EVERYTHING to do with losing our benefits. He is the reason that Europe and UK have to spend billions more on defence. Disability benefits will help toward this. He is also about to wipe Trillions off the world markets, making companies less valuable and unable to expand like the want. This will make unemployment balloon which means the Government will now have another problem to economically deal with. Disability is an easy target as we are only a small percent of the population and this makes them expendable! Higher taxes effects a much higher percent of the population so that will be a last resort. Taxing the rich is out of the question because they have the money to find the loopholes or leave the country!
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