Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

Trump has EVERYTHING to do with losing our benefits. He is the reason that Europe and UK have to spend billions more on defence. Disability benefits will help toward this. He is also about to wipe Trillions off the world markets, making companies less valuable and unable to expand like the want. This will make unemployment balloon which means the Government will now have another problem to economically deal with. Disability is an easy target as we are only a small percent of the population and this makes them expendable! Higher taxes effects a much higher percent of the population so that will be a last resort. Taxing the rich is out of the question because they have the money to find the loopholes or leave the country!

I went through five dla assessments all with doctors i might add, before I got indefinite. Then forced onto pip.. zero points. Like many seem to get, so went to tribunal. They watched my every move, sent me out while they went through my notes, this lady springs up next to us, starts chatting, now I'm not great to say the least in social situations, so my mum had a few words with her in general conversation, this is what she said... "This is my 13th tribunal , I'm not letting them away with anything ,look at all my evidence,see all those cameras, watching us like hawks they are. ! All this in A very loud voice. I swear when I thought about it later she was put there on purpose to see what way I'd react. If I'd engage etc. Best bit is,about 18 mths later a similar thing happened to a friend. Anyway got my pip back. For three years,Second time 2 points,another tribunal only paper based, 3yrs again, third time 4 points, did and MR, got it again onthat for four yrs, due a review very soon. I'd rather eat rusty nails. The stress is unreal. Esp when the assessor inthe first instance couldn't even look up from the computer and the other two phone assessments were a total farce too. Lies ,untruths ,made up stories,whatever you want to call them.... what willit be like now with this 4 points nonsense. Dreading beyond dread, as last assessment nearly ended me.

I hear you, @Catherine21 and you’re absolutely right!

It does feel outrageous that they seem to be getting away with it, but I genuinely believe they only will if we stay silent. That’s why I feel it’s so important we keep pushing back, especially through these live consultations. Even if people are struggling to respond to all the 20 questions, they should try to focus on the most relevant ones, like PIP and UC , Work , whichever affects them!

Although they recommend adding your views under each question in the link, I feel it may be easier to voice your concerns via email in a narrative style(own words!), save them bit by bit (within your energy levels), and email them to consultation.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk once complete. It might not feel like much, but every voice adds so much weight in a democratic society. And if we don’t speak up in this live consultation, they’ll just say “nobody objected.” and could potentially have the upper hand.

If 16 million people stay quiet, thinking it’s somebody else’s or Charities businesses, it will only benefit the Liebour lot in this instance. I honestly don’t see any other way out of this. In my mind, I view it like a massive Individualised Mandatory Reconsideration request.

From what I’ve seen, this lot seem ready to push through anything, no matter how senseless or cruel…..even if it means fighting it legally. But I still have hope, especially when people like you & everyone here are speaking out. That does make a difference.

Best wishes, Catherine! Please do look after yourself. Nothing is over…There’s still so much hope! 🤗

Hello all.

I tried to take time away just to get away from worrying but here I am on a sleepless night worrying.

My thoughts are:

That these cuts and changes will be disproportionately effecting disabled people surely none of it will be seen as lawful? Thing is I suspect Starmer intends to pass PIP/Universal Credit's changes as a money legislation (mentioned on here) meaning the Lords can't amend it and so it becomes the law of the land.

This PIP 4 Point Rule is nothing to do with money, surely that requires a different legislation and or a Green/White Paper?

The Green Paper and the subsequent White Paper may face legal challenges and possible amendments by the Lords. I think it's there where legal apparatus will be used.

Lastly I thought Labour would be the least worst option, they're even more worse than I imagined.

Well, what they have released so far is not very clear. WCA is going to be scrapped for LCWRA but merged to PIP so all on LCWRA and PIP will have to do the new merged WCA. So EITHER they will have to remove mental health descriptors from the merged WCA to get rid of most mental health claimants from their benefits or add mental health descriptors to facilitate the most severe mental health conditions in the merged WCA.

PIP is really meant to be for mobility conditions and the costs for mobility. It does not really cater for mental health. Remembering that they have added the 4 point daily living making it harder for everyone anyway. This is not right. They have to give us more information on what the WCA is going to be whether they are going to facilitate mental health or not and whether they care about conditions that are NOT COVERED at all even now by the WCA.

If they are going to use the current PIP WCA just adding the 4 point in one descriptor for daily living to qualify it will mean EVERY mental health claimant will not qualify and many mobility claimants will not qualify. They need to give more info and be clear with it.

@JasonRA

I'm sorry 🙏 to hear that you've had such a bad night.

You must feel powerless to do anything but that doesn't need to be the case. 😊

Have you heard of Disabled People Against Cuts? 🤔

They organised the big protest in London recently that was all over the media against these wicked proposals. 💪

🔗 https://dpac.uk.net/

Also, are you aware of Benefits and Work? I've been a member for years and I don't know where I would be without their expert benefit guides. I can't recommend them enough to give you a proper chance to submit the best evidence you can when you get your next assessment.

🔗 https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/

They both have campaigns to submit evidence, directly to parliament so you can tell them how the proposals will affect you as a disabled person and more you can take part in besides.

DPAC is £2 a year for membership and B&W is £20. You can sign up for their newsletters whether you're a member or not.

I do hope that you will consider having a look into them both if you have not been aware of them. Good Luck. 🤞 🍀 😊

I was denied PIP in 2014 , I got 4 points for mixing with people as i wear dark glasses and cannot look people in the eye .

I was awarded PIP in 2023 and put the same thing down and got 2 points , this shows me that different assessors have got no clue at all and just tick a number that they see fit .

I think that every single claimant who has been assessed with less than 4 points in a single category should apply for a reassessment (what have they got to lose ?) - when these 100,000's applications hit their inbox - they will not be able to cope with the numbers and these reassessments will take decades to churn through ? I liked to think that those claimants would be left with their present benefit levels until they are reassessed - because any delays will be their fault rather than the claimants fault.

And as for the reason for the reassessment request - "Mental Anguish caused by DWP changing the rules"