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Great, I may have put it a bit double dutch, if I don't get contacted I won't use, is what I meant, and those that have given sites to look at "Links" I welcome them and add to the appropiate sections of the document.
I say document as this one has taken chapter and verse and cross referencing back to 2008 when I did an A to Z of benefits which is still being added to and amended to EVERY DAY.
THANKS AGAIN, to everyone here contributing IN EVERY WAY, as we have said case histories, and outcomes are the start, the mid section is the AMENDMENTS MADE TO THE LAW, TRIBUNAL, OR CLAIMENTS DETAILS - GOOD OR BAD - AND IF THE CLAIM WENT UP OR DOWN WITH WHAT THEY USED - ANY COMPENSATION.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT COMPENSATION, but the charters and laws placed on us to claim benefits of any sort. This latest change being one. I have not spent the last 4 years getting the Social Care Package in place to have an accountant tell me she can change it with NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
All supporting evidence must 1. State the reason for the change.
2. must state the original draft in law.
3. must state the expected outcome.
4. must state an exceptable period to implement it and see results.
5. If this is a longer period of implemenmtation then, unless you can state why, (and release of funding later is not a reason for change.) You have not budgeted correctly since if you are loosing money you already know the reason, which is normally bad admin at top, using others to support the errors of their management, with more miss management.
6. Review the implementations after 1 month/2 months/6 months to make sure you are on track and that any errors that are shown up, are rectified on the run. ( in other words being monitored until targets are met.)
7. If there is no way to implement changes, then don't change the system.
8. MORE IMPORTANTLY, all amendments made after the FIRST DRAFT, MUST BE SHOWN AS AN AMENDMENT AND LOGGED.
Number 8. is where the DWP and PIP Mare falling apart. Since (I have stated before) EVERY tribunal result MUST be logged, because, - if an assessor is not using the "up to date" forms then every assessment s/he does is suspect? By logging the reason why the assessment cannot be used, the DWP and PIP can see how many "rejections there are" and show this to us.
This added recently.
REBUTTAL TO TRIBUNAL 23RD APRIL 2025.
REFERENCE QUOTE FROM A SCOPE FORUM IN ANSWER TO INFORMATION ALREADY GIVEN.
"It seems there may be some misunderstanding regarding my request. It is not my responsibility to verify the claims you've made. If you are confident in their accuracy, please provide the specific sources, legal references, or official documents that support them. These claims cannot be treated as established facts without clear evidence."
I'm not responsible for DWP's actions or lies, nor can I explain 15 years of treachery in 15 minutes. If you wish to make a difference, then read what I've suggested.
Otherwise, as I've said twice, please stop telling me I am wrong when you don't (yet) know what I'm talking about. My comprehension is acute, but typing and explaining myself is exhausting. Not understood/not believed is the same to me.
I think the reviewer was Paul Litchfield, and Professor Harrington was the government's medical advisor, but these are minor points and make no difference to my claims. Read DNS reports for the facts about those WCA reviews. Or don't.
I will when a submission to the court next week will be including this and others for REFERENCE AND JOGGING NOTES FOR ME, to understand how, and why we are having drastic reforms to a system that can be used, but due to the "Blurring of the edges" and I make no excuse for me or them since I deal in plain English and apply the same laws that are use to inflict misery and shame on the NHS when the people who are running the "show" do not realise what half, and that is being generous, more live 98% of support both financially and medically has now been taken over by them. (DWP/PIP)
I will also be mentioning the Charters and Laws that govern the assessment process, and ask:
What is the purpose of an assessment for benefit? (ANY BENEFIT)
What charter is used to allow a claimant to be called in for an assessment?
Is their a set period between assessments, and how is this policed. And, if someone is starting to claim any benefits for the first time, who or where is their first port of call, or go to person/department?I already know this but since the Secretary of State is Duty bound to attend, I will only be reinforcing what I have said about the system and its administration, and the loss of administration by the NHS when blaming the NHS for the problems that we are now in, when it is the administration of the system, where many people including Professor Harrington, Paul Litchfield, Dr Mike Orton (may not be known by many, but took over from Pro. Harrington, the Grayling report, and all the white papers presented to parliament twice in one year, have spent 1000's of hours trying to explain what is wrong with the system, but then bring out their own version, from ours.
That would not be so bad, but, in altering small words changes the WHOLE CONTEXT OF THE STATEMENT. One such example in the 4 point ruling is changing the Billions of pounds investment into the Disabled and NHS to get it up and running, has been changed to we are now investing in getting "people" into work?
THIS is an inclusion of EVERYONE NOT WORKING?
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Hi, and just to say, always get involved, that is what yourv MP is for. This also includes councillors in your area, as they are the ground troups when YOUR MP is in parliament or out and about.
Find your local office, and just pop in, tell them your concerns and they should assist you, because afterall you voted them in and its a feather in their cap if they assist in putting even the little things right.
Its not only about complaints against the System of assessment and loss of benefits, but to ask about bin collections. Are there changes being made to the way in which it is collected? Bins, Bags, or recycle collection or collection times. Are busses or public transport adequate? do they come on time? Do you have trouble with unreasonable behaviour in your area, is there enough police see in your area, do you want more, or do you think that the speed camera near you is not needed, or do you need one, because of excessive speeds in the town centre. This list is anything that affects you goes through your council and through the elected party.
Hospital wait times, A & E and where is the nearest. So if we were all tyo get involved like here locally, its just another way of getting heard.
As a point of interest if you send your APPOINTED PARLIAMENTARY M P AN E-MAIL listing your concerns, and there is no need tto go intop great detail at this time, (in the first contact.) they are obliged to answer and/or invite you to give more details where s/he can present yours and others that have contacted her over what ever issues you have raised.
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Nothing that's been sent to me shows hard evidence of any cases at risk of really losing out
Send him all the coroner reports of deaths directly related to disability benefit cuts. What a crass and obviously untrue statement for someone democratically elected to make. Pure contempt for disabled people and his constituents. Can we find out who this is?
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We are trusting the countries finances (100's billions of pounds) to a LIAR !
The Chancellor states on her LINKEDIN at she was working as an “economist” at HBOS from Dec 2006 to Dec 2009.
This is NOT true.
Reeves actually worked in a mundane support department at the bank, according to multiple former colleagues.
Within the Halifax/HBOS Complaints team there was a small support unit which managed administration processes, IT matters, and small projects and planning.
It was a team of three people FAR from the Economics Department.
HBOS was acquired by Lloyds in 2009 and the Chancellor left in December of that year to pursue a career in politics…
She has to GO !
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I really wish that I could attend one of these - but the distance (100 miles minimum) precludes this…
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noonebelieves, and others in support,Firtsly I would like to say I have been in the system since 1998 and probably a bit before that as well.
When I first going to Tribunals then, I was also a full Time Senior Shop Steward, as well as working as a Site Engineer so also was a First Aider, and wrote Risk Assessments and Method Statements FOR ALL TRADES.
This covered everyone from the Toilet Cleaner to the CEO, and included doing those jobs and gaining certiication to write those with the HSE and Trade Unions.
My point, everyone has a skill, its a good employer that can see someone for what they do and ask them is there any improvements we can make to make things easier for you and me?
I am not worried to present my case to anyone from the Parliamentary Commission in London, (where the 2014 Social Security Act was based, to a First or Second Tier Tribunal where th big desk symdrom kicks in, and believe everyone that side does know better.
Well, they obviously have not met me yet, since I don't go intheir guns blazing, although I have done but only where necessary. I believe in using the laws and charters set up by the people who "know best and ask them if they know this or that and ask a question knowning the answer and then state can you look at this report and show where it states that.
I am also prepared with, its only a one off? (Well that one life you changed or tthe worse.) and can you explain this report? Or its outcome? Show me the amendments? And this case? And this case? I will show each case andf show you the ACTUAL OUT COME, not the one stated in court, and can you explain why this assessment is still being used and why you have not adhered to the judges direction and sent me the amendments or the amendments made while at court? Or the original requests for information both prior to a MR and after.
This lead me to go further and as a judge said to e Go away and learn your trade if you want to represent someone.
So I did. If you look no get support in your area and want a solicitor to help you in court you will not find one when you state its against the DWP. You are also not given help in a Civil proceeding, again when they find out that the people you are taking a proceeding against are DWP workers, Decision Makers, or Assessment companies HIRED BY THE DWP TO ASSESS US. Is this impartial? what are the assessments designed to do? Originally to sign post us to treatment, and benefits BOTH financially and medically since "NEURO DIVERSANT" DISABLED PEOPLE HAVE NO OTHER MEANS OF EARNING MONEY to pay for things like that dinner I liked butt can't afford, or the heating on because I am cold, because it costs to much, that adaption I need but have no way of finding out where or how to apply, or the rules being changed for access to benefits with contact to me and the way it affect me and my benefits.
Or even if it means another cut to the financial help given on paper to disabled people but taken off you because they forgot to increase your tax allowances and infact class them as UNEARNED INCOMEE AND TAX IT ANYWAY.
AS A QUESTION FOR SOME TO CONSIDER: (I already know the answer.) If you are now having a pension Taxed as unearned Income, then are you entitled to OTHER MEANS TESTED BENEFITS LIKE, Income Support, Universal Credit, sickness benefits (since this should be covered under the Care Component of my Disability which is NOT means tested.) to name some, and also am I entitled to a tax rebate?
the 23rd has already been won since this is to get long over due compensation and to get the amendments logged onto the system that should have come from 1998, and again in2008, the reason ATOS decided to hand back the contract for assessments and BUY THEM SELVES OUT AT AN UNDISCLOSED AMOUT, the reason Ian Duncan Smith Resigned ( not the official one released to the press, but the one he was supposed to answer to in Court and did not attend, (but sent the court a resignation letter to them not me through the court, which the court excepted, I DID NOT.) 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 Social Security Act, THE 2018 SOCIAL SECURITY ACT, The new Social Care Act from Last Year, NOW 2 YEARS OLD (september) and still not implemented since they gave their own version of that, which the new "budget" is only a revamp of that. (Their version.)
I am fed up with them not doing what a court has instructed to do so this year after APRIL 2025. I will show my contempt for the system by using the system as it was intended for.
I have stopped certain things and do not want to go into details yet and let the system do what it does best and remove things. Then by compiling the results and proving this is not a one off has cost some departments to rethink also "on the run" as they are all trying to put things right before next week.
SORRY guys its all about accountability and the fact that your name, or lack of it on a doument just makes matters worst.
so the fight/discussion soon ends (for Me) (then for you) I would like to see a positive outcome, as all my eggs are not in one basket since here, and at Labour Party head quarters where I am have realised the voting power of the people that are being upset by these CUTS to benefits NOT SUPPORT that we are entitled to will boost the chance to be revoted in not only on our subject of benefits but at Community levels with other issues that involve YOU.
I would be happy to direct anyone to departments for care or adaptions to disability or long term sick, but its only a question of contacting your LOCAL MP and asking if you get no sence from your local council. The council ndon't like receiving letters from constituents that have been side tracked or not heard. Give it a go.
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I have just woke up to a text message from DWP saying my award is under review and if I haven't received the form in two weeks phone them
Jeez I'm bricking it.
My extended reward runs out August 2026 so I wasn't expecting to hear from them this soon.
Can anyone offer me any advice how to avoid a f2f ( I'm agoraphobic with travel phobia)
And I want to try to get an ongoing award this time as my health conditions are long term, have worsened over time and are never going to get better.
I am 61 years old.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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QUOTE:
Ministers are scrambling to avoid a damaging rebellion this summer when MPs vote on controversial cuts to disability benefit payments, even offering potential rebels the chance to miss the vote altogether.
The government is due to hold a vote in June and dozens of Labour MPs are worried it will hurt their constituents and could cost them their seats.
Possible solutions include allowing backbenchers to abstain – a major climbdown from earlier votes, when rebels were disciplined or suspended from the party. Ministers are also looking for ways to mitigate the cuts with extra spending on measures to tackle child poverty, including extra benefits payments for poorer parents of children under five.
One Labour MP said: “When people abstained on the winter fuel vote, they were warned that it had been taken by the leadership as voting against the government. This time, however, a number of MPs have been offered the opportunity to abstain.”
Minister that DO NOT VOTE on important issues like this should be oulted as they agree. Since this gives the constituents a chance to air their views.
They have to realise who put them their and who do they support. Why should we not get the winter fuel payment based on the rise of cost of living an the rise that Disabled people need different allowances to those that are not ill or sick and Disabled?
Don't vote, put them up for re-election straight away. If they don't support the cuts THEN SAY SO BY VOTING AGAINST THE CUTS?
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Hi @chiarieds
I agree with you that the comment from that one MP is very dismissive of our concerns but with the greatest of respect to you, I would like to point out that many more MPs, a very encouraging number of them, in fact have expressed their support for us, if only for, as it appears, self interest reasons as they could lose their seats over these sadistic proposals. 😊
Remember that could be sooner rather than later with the Local Elections being held on May 1st!
Please let me explain 🙏what I think is happening here. This really isn't a criticism of your opinion which I agree with.👍 However I would just like to say that it's essential that, all of us see the WHOLE picture. In journalism, they always like to hear views from the people concerned from both sides of the story.
Hence why, on the one hand, we have heard from a CONSIDERABLE NUMBER of MPs worried about their jobs because of the backlash to these proposals, which is very likely to work in our favour and from, on the other hand, to put it into perspective, just ONE MP who made that dreadful comment. 😠
I know that we are all completely exhausted, despairing and the pressure on us is unrelenting with these nightmarish proposals but most of the article is actually, potentially VERY GOOD NEWS for us.
If MPs who object to these proposals could be allowed to abstain from voting for them instead of running the risk of being suspended after being forced to vote, it means that many more will defend their jobs and abstain instead of voting the proposals in.
The government is considering letting MPs abstain from voting as the unity and functioning of the Labour Party itself is being threatened by the positive reaction of MPs being against the cuts.
This is in our favour because it means that there will be a smaller number of MPs in Labour that will actually vote for the cuts.
Our views, those of the DPOs like Scope and many others, the views of our carers, family and friends have made so many MPs realise that they are at risk of losing their jobs over this.
I've discovered that many of the general public are horrified and sickened at hearing the depth and sheer evil intent of these cuts. A recent survey also showed that 70 - 80% of them believe that we should be treated properly and certainly not have ruinous cuts of this magnitude forced upon us.
Please don't let just ONE nasty piece of work of a supposedly "right honourable" Member of Parliament discourage you from seeing how very positive this news is. He obviously wants to be so dismissive and obnoxious to try to make disabled people concentrate on what he had to say, trying to knock the wind out of our sails after reading of such positive developments.
If you tell the community that you are concentrating on that comment and how negative it is, then other people will also miss the point of this good news and the vicious MP has got his way. He has managed to make good news sound bad, when it isn't and he will have succeeded in making us all feel utterly discouraged again, instead of quite a bit more hopeful.
Believe me, he has done it on purpose, which also tells us how insecure the right wing members of this Labour government are really feeling about this! 🤗He would not do it if he felt confident that these proposals were going to go through without much opposition.
I feel so strongly that this MP was influencing your views so negatively that I have written this post to help you and others, reading your post, to see the overall, much greater good in this article.
Right wing members of the government will try so hard, as the leadership do to try to steal the truth and twist it into something negative to even make good news seem bad.
I apologise 🙏 if I seem disrespectful to you but I really feel it was more important that if we have good news, we should all be able to see it for what it actually is. 😊
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How dare they call this consultation “accessible”? Being put on a waiting list for an event is beyond insulting-though I wasn’t desperate to attend, my intention was clear: to tell them straight to their face that I oppose these cuts and why. Nothing in their event agenda even reflected the real issues impacting me or so many others.that link in their auto response leads straight to a Microsoft Form full of leading questions(which I’ve previously posted about). It’s a trap. People might think they’re opposing the proposals, but the way those questions are framed means they risk being twisted into supporting them instead. It’s incredibly manipulative.
I’ve responded on your other thread about the public bodies SAE-please don’t be disheartened. Our voices are powerful. We can and must use them to resist these brutal, unjust changes. Also, check out mw123’s response there-it echoes the strength in unity and pushing back against these cuts.In solidarity ✊
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I feel like I am slowing slipping down a muddy hill with no chance to get back up. Please correct me but this is really going to happen isn't it. Millons of disabled people will lose benefits and be forced into poverty and claim unemployment benefits. Those in work with related benefits will be forced to find more hours further worsening their conditions and poverty.
I just feel that there is little hope here.
I cry last night for hours when I realized this. Grown man crying in front of family because I can't provide for them..just feel pathetic and useless.
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Thank you Catherine
How do I get access to the equality act on disability rights?
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@jul1aorways - if I had given that quote out of context (which I hadn't as I added a hyperlink to the article), I would agree with your comment. I therefore wasn't telling the community anything, nor did I intimate that I was giving an in-depth analysis of the whole article!
I was able to understand the article, thank you, but appreciating that others know far more about politics than myself, I will refrain from commenting further on this thread.
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Hi, this might be what your'e looking for, hope it helps.
🔹 Definition of Disability (Section 6)
You are considered disabled under the Equality Act 2010 if:
- You have a physical or mental impairment
- That impairment has a substantial and long-term negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities
“Long-term” means it has lasted or is likely to last 12 months or more.
🔹 Key Protections Under the Act
If you’re disabled, the Act protects you from:
- Direct discrimination
– Being treated less favourably because of your disability. - Indirect discrimination
– Policies or practices that put you (and others with your disability) at a disadvantage, unless they can be justified. - Discrimination arising from disability
– Being treated unfairly because of something connected to your disability (e.g. needing more time off work). - Failure to make reasonable adjustments
– Employers, service providers, schools, and others must take steps to remove barriers you face. This might include:- Physical adjustments to buildings
- Flexible work arrangements
- Providing special equipment or support
- Harassment
– Unwanted behaviour related to your disability that makes you feel humiliated, offended, or degraded. - Victimisation
– Being treated badly because you made a complaint or helped someone else make a complaint under the Act.
🔹 Who Has Duties Under the Act?
- Employers
- Service providers (shops, public transport, local councils, etc.)
- Education providers
- Health and social care providers
- Landlords and housing providers
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OBV, I meant "my comprehension is sharp" but that's a minor point.
What isn't minor is that looking back through my copious notebooks, I can see that the Transitional Addition following migration from Incapacity Benefit in 2011 was REDUCED on my ESA claim.
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Thank you.
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@charlie72 many thanks for your words and help it's much appreciated
Yes I will fill the form in once it arrives and send copy of the letter, my Dr is emailing it to me to print off, shame I can't send original but that's email. Should I contact pip to request paper assessment or just leave it to the letter?
Again thanks
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Hi, I would ring pip and ask for paper assessment, explain you have a letter from your GP saying it would impact your condition/make it worse , you'll also then have a record of you asking them to make reasonable adjustments on file.
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I took a break from reading any news since Monday as it was doing my head in but the worries were still there in the back of my mind.
This whole saga feels like the sword of Damocles is hovering over my head. When I first signed up to this site in late 2023 I wanted to not feel alone when the Tories starting their campaign against disabled people/incapacitated people and I'm eternally grateful to have signed up here, I'm grateful to really decent and courageous people to engage with.
My situation, I can walk, talk, use my arms but I'm mentally screwed up and missing a vertebra in my neck which gives me great pain and constant cervical headaches.
Labour and the political class who have it out for disabled and or incapacitated people will not win, this is merely a continuation of a long running saga which some say started with Tony Blair, others say it started under Thatcher and continued under John Major.
My mother said the Green Paper will get amended and watered down, that's all good but what about Labour's legislation in June? Can the Supreme Court intervene against money bills? This is not a done deal, this has legs and people need to hold the proverbial line.
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Agreed !
Life is hard enough without worrying our heads over a comma not being used . Just felt it was unnecessary to pick holes in someone for something so trivial .
Your mum was right 🙂
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