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Tnx!
Timms seemed not to have heard the suggestion of where to get money without taking it from the disabled. He doesn't care, he just voiced what was written earlier. He seems to be nobody, has no influence, but he is well paid for the role and he is quite happy with it.
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The authorities of all countries consider this to be "their country", and the people living on the territory of the country are just a resource for the authorities. It doesn't matter - monarchy, democracy or communism.
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Keep emailing tell them we will vote them out they must know if they vote them cuts in we will make it our mission to get them all out
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This very true cash cows ask yourself what happens when AI takes over ! I never got involved in politics until caught sunak sicknote Britain been on this emotional roll coaster since even thought done by design I can't break free for years I thought uk was a good country felt lucky to live here thought we was free until opened my eyes and cannot unsee the reality our whole life's we been controlled and lied to if I had money I would live rurally
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The mask slipped man of the disabled God loving man pls
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I would say read your form and check your answers for any 4 point descriptor. Don’t let the assessor steer you towards 2 point answers. My last assessor did that to me . I definitely should have got at least one 4 point possibly two. She just asked questions which my reply would be 2, points . I would also be prepared to record myself next time as they pulled a trick on me last minute. Good luck for tmrw I definitely think it’s better to get it over with before next year. Mines up next February and I haven’t received my form yet. Apparently the new form is 89 pages long now 😩
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Hi all,
Disability talk with Steve’s new video says according to the OBR 1 in 10 will lose pip. This was said by Timms. Not sure how they come to that number but he mentioned behaviour and conditions worsening. wonder if they’re taking into account people fighting to get a 4 now . As for conditions worsening why the constant assessments if the know most people get worse not better
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So what would happen to people who receive cbesa / lcwra but no pip ? .... Will we just carry on with the standard WCA and just have to concentrate on passing that as normal until it's abolishment in 2028 / 2029 .... Then when that happens the new pip criteria takes over from the WCA and we will all be under the 4 point rule ?
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What I don’t understand is right now there people on lcwra who don’t claim pip due to the assessment. If the new combined assessment comes in does that mean people who didn’t apply for pip will automatically be eligible once they pass the assessment ?
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I got 10 points last time for not being able to go to unfamiliar places & nothing has changed. I'm dreading it, not sure if i should just do short answers as i'm terrible on the phone or just keep saying that nothing has changed
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Im not sure 🤔 ..... I was of the impression that people in my position , nothing will really change for us until 2028 / 2029 when the WCA is abolished , then when the new pip criteria takes over from the WCA our next assessment will be the pip one , basically we have to pass that just to keep what we are getting now on lcwra....... Albeit under a different name as ESA support group and lcwra health element top up will be called simply " health element " under the new 4 point criteria ....
It's strange because technically I've never been assessed for lcwra
I've Always been assessed with a ESA50 form , I vounterally moved over to UC from CB ESA support group , so i was automatically put in to lcwra because of my support group status ....
This will be the case for a lot of people that are being migrated over ....
So next time I'm reassessed it will be with a UC50 form instead of a ESA50 form , although I've been assured many times that they are incredibly similar....and it covers both my cbesa and lcwra
So yeah I'm just going to concentrate on passing that when it comes and then deal with the new pip criteria when it takes over .... That's how I'm looking at it ....
Its a good point you make but I honestly don't know the answer , like most other things at the moment 😂☺️
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So you get mobility not care as not going to unfamiliar places is mobility ? I would try to explain everything as much as possible the same as what’s written on your form .
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When they say behaviour it annoys me like some sort or child with behavioural issues no its deep rooted trauma which cause mental and physical illnesses who wants this life I look at people my age married working holidays socialising not saying that makes some people happy but all of what is normal in society makes me so so unhappy I don't want to be around people I forced myself for years devolved drinking problem as couldn't face outside world as me I get great comfort on my own I understand this now if I'm around people ie working socialising trying to act normal it absolutely breaks me I just don't want to be seen I can only do it for small amount of time I can act ok for an hour then I'm drained hard to explain autism makes so much sense to me on waiting list four years wait to tell me what I already know so tiring
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It seems all set up form everything
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Goodluck tomorrow
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Why don't most of them become independent? Do they lose money
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I don't think there's much point in discussing the number of points - the government can always change the rules for awarding points. As well as change the intervals of checks, change light touches to blows with a sledgehammer, and so on.
We need a protest against the cancellation of cuts in payments to the disabled!
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From the Benefits and Work site
NewsGreen Paper progress update
Published: 03 June 2025
A great deal has happened in the two and a half months since the Green Paper was launched. Whilst we wait for the first legislation to be published, it seems a good point to look at what has happened so far and what still needs to be done.
Consultation
The Green Paper consultation is due to end on 30 June, after the first Green paper bill is likely to have been published.
The consultation does not cover the most crucial issues, such as the changes to UC payment rates, the scrapping of the work capability assessment (WCA) or the PIP four points system.
We have no way of knowing how many people have taken part, but given the widely held view that it was a largely bogus exercise we suspect the numbers will be lower than for the Tories consultation on PIP vouchers.
The Zoom consultations have not gone well, with few people invited and even fewer attending. At least one was cancelled after the DWP shared the email addresses of all the attendees, then it was relisted but failed to open and finally just got quietly dumped.
The in-person consultations fared no better. Few people were invited, venue details were kept secret until the last moment, there were demonstrations outside some meetings and the final consultation, due to take place in Cardiff, was cancelled by the DWP although the protest still took place.
It’s probably fair to say that the consultation process has gone very badly for the government so far.
Reports and analysis
There have been some very critical reports published in relation to the Green Paper.
Perhaps the most damaging so far is the hard hitting Citizens Advice (CA) “Pathways to Poverty”, given that CA work closely with the government in providing support for managed migration and so might have been expected to pull their punches.
Others have included the Joseph Rowntree Trust, the Resolution Foundation and Health Equity North.
The Commons work and pensions committee has also produced an interim report calling on the government to delay any changes to PIP and UC
Individual actions
It has undoubtedly been the flood of emails, letters, phone calls and personal visits that has had the most effect on Labour MPs who are now considering rebelling. Every communication makes a difference, adding to the weight of doubt and fear that many MPs are now experiencing as they contemplate the future.
And we know from the comments below the line that Benefits and Work readers have been hugely active in this regard, from the very day the Green Paper was published.
Some readers have gone even further, finding opportunities to address groups of MPs and starting social media campaigns.
In all, we know our readers have made a real difference and we don’t doubt you will continue to do so.
Protests and campaigns
There are an increasing number of protests happening around the country, mainly organised by Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC).
Many of these are small local events, some have centred around the in-person consultations and there has also been a mass lobby of parliament.
The People's Assembly are organising a national demonstration against austerity on 7 June, assembling at Portland place W1B at 12 noon for a march to Whitehall.
Meanwhile over 100 disabled public figures have begun a campaign to stop the cuts.
Labour rebellion
The estimated number of Labour MPs unhappy about the Green Paper started at 27 in April and is now variously estimated at between 150 and 200, with most commentators suggesting around 170.
According to the Institute for Government, Labour’s current working majority is 165, and it would take 84 Labour MPs to rebel to ensure a government defeat in the House of Commons (provided all opposition and independent MPs vote against the government).
Of course, not all of those 150-200 unhappy Labour MPs will vote against the government or even abstain.
But we are definitely in the territory where a government defeat is a genuine possibility.
Other parties
It seems clear that most opposition parties will oppose the bill. The Lib Dems seem set against it, as do the SNP and the Green party.
Most importantly, it now seems very likely that the Conservative party will vote against, it on the grounds that it has been badly thought through and does not save nearly enough money.
Waiting game
At the time of writing we are waiting for Liz Kendall to meet with Labour back benchers to try to persuade them of the necessity of the Green Paper cuts. Their reaction will tell us something about how the rebellion is progressing.
We are also waiting for Rachel Reeves to deliver her spending review on 11 June, in which we might get more hints about changes to the winter fuel allowance and two-child benefit cap, intended to try to buy off Labour rebels.
And, of course, we are waiting for the first bill relating to the Green Paper to be to be published. This is expected to bring in the changes to universal credit rates from April 2026 and the 4 point PIP rule from November 2026.
When the bill is published
We are far from experts on parliamentary procedure, but if Labour are to have any hope of getting the bill made law before the summer recess begins on 22 July then there cannot be much time to spare.
As far as we can tell, two weekends have to elapse after the Green Paper bill is published before the first Commons debate and vote can take place. So even if the bill has its first reading and is published by Friday 6 June, it can’t have its second reading and a vote before Monday 16 June. If it passes that vote, then it has to go through committee and report stages and a third reading at which another vote takes place. Then the bill is sent to the Lords.
So either Labour are very confident of having a majority in the House of Lords, or they have some sort of procedural ruse prepared, such as making the bill a money bill, in order to rush it through.
What to do next
Whilst we wait for the Green Paper bill to appear, it’s still worth contacting people you might not yet have been in touch with.
Local councillors and local branches of the Labour party are unquestionably becoming more vocal in their opposition to the cuts and they can exert some real influence on Labour MPs.
It’s unlikely that Rachel Reeves will listen to her Constituency Party’s condemnation of the cuts. But the Labour MPs in Sheffield are likely to take more note of the opposition of three of the local councils.
We still also think it’s worth trying to contact a few members of the House of Lords, because we don’t know what type of bill Labour might bring forward and what influence the upper house might have. (See the What you can do page for how to do this). And if anyone has had a positive response from a member of the Lords, do please contact us, as we’d like to share some ideas.
When the bill is finally published it will be crucial that MPs are bombarded with messages from their constituents telling them how they want them to vote, regardless of which party they belong to.
And finally . . .
And finally, please take a moment to realise what an extraordinary distance we have travelled in just eleven weeks, from shock and despair at Labour’s betrayal to a point where we can seriously contemplate their massive majority being overturned.
Labour thought by rushing things through they could prevent any real opposition building . . . they got that badly wrong.
So, keep on doing what you’ve been doing, because it’s definitely having an effect
As Green MP Sain Berry told her local paper this week “It is officially crunch time now, and I hope that people keep up the pressure on me and all local MPs to stand up and vote down these plans.”
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/green-paper-progress-update
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