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Absolute cowards , really does go to show what they really care about
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@Catherine21 New post from DPAC
Important update
The DWP have rescheduled their consultation on the disability cuts. The venue is now much more accessible and has better transport links.
This was the result of disabled voices calling out the injustices of the previous event.
The consultation is still unfair with the most controversial proposals not up for discussion.
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I predict that there's going to be a lot of MR and appeals happening when it comes to claimants who are going to be claiming/reassessed under the new PIP criteria (if the 4 point rule goes ahead). Hope DWP are prepared for it.
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Imagine waiting 14 years in opposition and Starmer comes along and ruins your career, cos that’s what will happen. Vote against, get kicked out and become a hero . Or vote for cuts , keep on the gravy train and in 4?years time leave under a dark cloud . I emailed Starmer and said in 4 years labour won’t even be opposition . You’ll be finished .
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Britain’s benefits system faces collapse without cuts to disability payments, Liz Kendall has said, as the government published plans that put it on a collision course with dozens of angry Labour MPs.
Kendall published her welfare reform bill on Wednesday, confirming it would lead to benefit cuts for 950,000 people by 2030. She said the country’s £326bn social security net might cease to exist if costs continued to escalate.
The bill includes several concessions designed to win over fractious Labour MPs as ministers look to ward off the biggest rebellion of Keir Starmer’s premiership. But the efforts were met with hostility by many in the party, who said they still intended to vote against the bill next month.
Kendall said: “Our social security system is at a crossroads. Unless we reform it, more people will be denied opportunities, and it may not be there for those who need it. This legislation represents a new social contract and marks the moment we take the road of compassion, opportunity and dignity.
“This will give people peace of mind, while also fixing our broken social security system so it supports those who can work to do so while protecting those who cannot – putting welfare spending on a more sustainable path to unlock growth.”
The bill will cut personal independence payments (Pips) for more than 800,000 people with disabilities, as well as carers’ support for 150,000 people who care for them. Claimants only able to wash half of their body or who are unable to cook a meal for themselves will no longer be able to claim Pips unless they have another limiting condition.
The cuts are at the heart of an overall package of nearly £5bn in welfare savings which ministers argue are necessary to protect the financial sustainability of the benefits system.
Kendall has tried to dispel widespread anger in the Labour party over the plans by introducing new concessions. Under the terms of the bill, people losing their disability benefits will get additional financial support for 13 weeks, while those with severe conditions such as heart disease or spinal injuries will not have to face reassessments.
The work and pensions secretary has set out a separate £1bn plan to help unemployed people get back to work, but this is not related to Pips, which are unconnected to employment status.
Whips are also issuing threats, and the deputy prime minister, Angela Rayner, refused on Wednesday to rule out the possibility of suspending any Labour rebels when the bill is put to a vote next month.
The mixture of concessions and threats did not appear to have won over wavering Labour MPs, however, and many went public with their criticism after the bill was published.
Rachael Maskell, the MP for York Central, said: “Having read the bill, it is clear that disabled people will lose significant support.
“The explanatory notes set out that 800,000 will not receive the daily living component of Pip by 2029/2030 and 150,000 will also lose their carers allowance. Poverty will be the legacy of this bill.”
Andy McDonald, the MP for Middlesbrough and Thornaby East, said the bill was “a huge attack on the incomes of disabled people”.
“MPs are being expected to vote these through whilst the green paper consultation continues, before the Pip assessment review is conducted, and without any evidence the separate employment support package – which is not in this bill – will work.
“This bill will be a yes or no on impoverishing disabled people. It’s a no from me.”
Those feelings were echoed by disability campaign groups and charities.
James Taylor, the director of strategy at the disability equality charity Scope said: “This bill will be catastrophic for disabled people. Cutting benefits will plunge hundreds of thousands into poverty. Over 800,000 will lose at least some financial support from Pip.
“It will have a devastating effect on disabled people’s health, ability to live independently or work.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/18/uk-benefits-system-could-collapse-if-payments-are-not-cut-liz-kendall-says
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So the severe category is for heart disease and spinal injuries but no other lifelong conditions. What about the people on light touch now ? At least with the 10 years labour light touch it seems to be according to how your condition affects you and your assessor . This seems worse not an improvement
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I don't know which conditions are in the severe category, have you got a link to them squirrel? I'm also on a light touch review from 2019 to 2029 with enhanced for both parts I scored 13 for living but could easily lose some points on review.
edit - yes I've just seen where it says that about heart disease.
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I said exactly this . If they reckon 200,00 they’ve worked it out . If you check out bellatango above it says from the guardian it’s heart diseases and spinal injuries.
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It’s in the post you shared Bella . I also have 13 points for living though no 4? Points and it’s for two years increased to three by dwp .
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I think we can safely say that they are not 😅 this will be a chaotic disaster and they are sleepwalking into it
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@secretsquirrel1 do you just get pip for living, no mobility?
Think I read somewhere (I might be wrong) that if you receive enhanced for both on review then it's changed to ongoing award with a light touch review. I was first awarded for 4 years and about a year before that was due to end I was told they had looked at it again and it was changed to an ongoing award and wouldn't be looked at again til after oct 2029. I'm 52
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Couldn't agree more
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Where does the Bill state this?
"The bill will cut personal independence payments (Pips) for more than 800,000 people with disabilities, as well as carers’ support for 150,000 people who care for them. Claimants only able to wash half of their body or who are unable to cook a meal for themselves will no longer be able to claim Pips unless they have another limiting condition."
A person unable to prepare and cook a simple one course meal from fresh ingredients meets the 8- point descriptor.
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Hi Bella , I get enhanced for both. I originally had standard care and enhanced mobility after fighting two years to upper tribunal. Then my last assessor lower mobility to standard and increased my care to enhanced . I was advised badly as I went MR for mobility and said to my advisor I want to ask for a longer award as assessor gave 2,years but dwp awarded 3. My advisor said no , wait to see what they say first . Advisor failed to send my new information in so they failed my MR. I called them and asked about tribunal and they said they’d just received the information I had sent so they sent it back to my case manager who immediately reinstated my enhanced. Had I asked for longer I may of got it . So when you had enhanced for both they originally gave you a short award time then increased it ? Did they say why if you don’t mind me asking . There seems to be a mystery around 10 year awards as I’ve also heard that enhanced both should get them
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There was a link to guardian at the bottom though I’m not subscribed.
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According to what Bella posted they’ve said conditions such as heart disease and spinal injuries which is random. She also mentioned enhanced for both getting light touch awards . I have enhanced but only after MR for mobility. If you add MS, ME, fibromyalgia MD autism etc etc that’s nearer a million than 200, 00
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Sounds like you've really been put through the mill squirell.
Heres a link to my post about the letter I received
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Hello
I can’t read all the above nor take it in, has any decisions been made in concrete regarding pip etc please ?
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