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I think at the moment there are vagrancy laws which have been in place for 200 years . Labour are scrapping them . There’ll be something behind it as this lot don’t do anything for the good of the people.
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God it's unbearable isn't it head banging if you go on DPAC page there is two email address for human rights Mr Kirkpatrick email and tell him how thier treating us t
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She’ll want to emphasise how much she’s spending on the working people, no austerity here. The only cut backs are for us and when you consider how much they’re throwing around savings to disabled benefit are peanuts. I don’t think any party would have removed support from over a million people. And if they tried Labour would be voting against it
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Correspondence from the Secretary of State, responding to the Committee’s 21 May letter regarding the Pathways to Work Green Paper
https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/164/work-and-pensions-committee/publications
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This the part Gunning Process
Pls pls pls make this halt it all
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Thanks.
I've just written to him.
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If they tried to push it through as a money bill it would certainly be the end for Starmer, I think it really would be a step too far for not just labour mp's but the house of commons. I also think the media like to inflame these issues and make things up, albeit maybe some minor truth in it like they had a discussion about it or something. Starmer already has loads of mp's rebelling against these cuts, he'd be a complete fool to try and do this, although I agree he's a complete ego maniac and doesn't care what anyone else thinks.
Under the Parliament Act 1911, a bill can be designated a Money Bill if it only contains provisions dealing with national taxation, public money, or loans. This designation:
- Must be made by the Speaker of the House of Commons, not the government.
- Cannot be challenged in court once made.
- Severely limits scrutiny: the House of Lords can debate it but not amend or block it, and it becomes law within a month of passing the Commons.
⚠️ Why This Is Controversial and Possibly Abusive
The article suggests the government might:
- Draft the bill narrowly, focusing only on cuts (e.g. changes to PIP or eligibility rules).
- Classify it as a Money Bill to bypass Lords scrutiny and rush it through.
- Use a Committee of the Whole House to dodge detailed evidence hearings.
If true, this would be a deliberate effort to reduce parliamentary scrutiny and push through significant cuts to disability support with minimal opposition.
That would raise serious democratic and constitutional concerns, especially if:
- The cuts affect entitlement criteria (not just spending levels).
- The bill includes non-financial provisions, like assessment reforms or obligations on claimants.
Even if it technically qualifies, this approach would be seen as undermining transparency and accountability on a matter that deeply affects disabled people.
🧨 Political Fallout?
As the article notes:
- Labour MPs and ministers may revolt.
- At least one minister may resign.
- The strategy could inflame public and media backlash — especially from disability rights groups.
This could also unite cross-party opposition and possibly result in legal or procedural challenges in Parliament (though courts cannot overturn a Speaker's Money Bill ruling).
🔍 What to Watch
- When the bill is introduced (expected mid-June).
- Whether it is certified as a Money Bill by the Speaker.
- What the bill actually says — does it only adjust finances, or does it impose new rules and obligations?
- Backbench and ministerial response, especially from Labour or crossbench Lords.
- Statements by disability groups (like Disability Rights UK, Z2K, or the Disability Benefits Consortium).
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Its to small for me to read what's the general outcome pls
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More of Kendall’s bs then . If the genuine disabled will be protected and only those million that are not really sick or disabled will lose out why are they consulting other sources who can help when we lose pip . We won’t need help from local councils etc if we are ok to work.
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Thanks for posting this Catherine.
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From the Rightsnet site
DWP backtracks on FOI response that stated pension age PIP claimants will not be subject to 4 point ruleThis FOI response issued on 15 May 2025 includes the following -
‘… those above working age who score fewer than 4 points in all daily living activities … will not have their eligibility assessed on this requirement, although current working age claimants that are affected may continue to be affected after they reach state pension age.’
When asked to clarify if this means it has been decided that there will be a specific exclusion of pension age claimants from the 4 point rule, the DWP issued a further FOI response (dated 4 June 2025) confirming that is now withholding the information requested -
‘The Department can confirm that it holds information relevant to your request. However, this material is being withheld under Section 35(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, which exempts information relating to the formulation or development of government policy.
Your questions pertain to part of a live and evolving process of policy formulation, where officials and Ministers are considering a range of options, including those that may not ultimately be taken forward.’
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/21219
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Says legal procedures cant be challenged so how can they be taken to court
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I bet the government don't respond by 16th June and push through on money bill can they still be challenged after pip goes through
Everyone go on DPAC site there is two email address they are asking us to email them as well human rights team
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This is the reply I've just received from him, following my nasty email to him:
Dear …….,
Thank you for your email. Please rest assured that I take your concerns very seriously.
I am happy to provide you with a full detailed response, but I firstly wanted to take this opportunity to invite you to an event for former or current Labour supporters that are feeling disillusioned with the current direction of the Party – we will discuss issues like the ones you have raised.
It will be held Thursday evening (12th June) from 7:30 to 9pm, though of course there is no pressure to stay for the entirety.
The venue is AJ’s Café/Bar in Carlyon Bay, 30 Beach Road, PL25 3PH.
It would be great to see you there.
Best regards,
Noah Law MP
Member of Parliament for St Austell & Newquay
House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA1 -
Thankyou for posting dpac letter to say I keep reading thinking some hope
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You've just taken the words out of my mouth! Yep, she mentioned "the working people of this country" in that awful grating voice she has.
Yes, they seem to have money to throw around all over the place at the moment; yet they are still planning to take it from the vulnerable in society. In my opinion, what they are proposing for the chronically ill and disabled has nothing to do with spending cuts, it is more of a cull. 😡1 -
Disability cuts + assisted dying bill + scrapping vagrancy laws . Is this their way of giving us support ?
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Kendall submits a mealy-mouthed 4-page letter, but her basic reply (and attitude) to the Select Committee can be summed up by 14 words that come right at the end: "We will not avoid or delay the decisive action
needed to transform the system..."In other words, "**** you!"
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Nice one send that email to all labour mps
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OOh It hasn't been scrapped but thousand doctors signed against it and won't be until 2029 so hopefully that will be thrown out
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