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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,241 Championing

    As we await next week’s updates, one key question remains, which serious health conditions will be automatically protected?

    We have been told severe conditions will be covered, yet there’s still no clear definition, making it impossible to know who qualifies. Despite sympathetic responses from the ministers I’ve written to, none have answered my central question, what will be classed as severe?

    If protection is promised, defining "severe" should be simple. Yet the lack of clarity suggests hesitation or an unwillingness to commit. Without a clear definition, decisions will be left to interpretation, creating inconsistency for those who need protection. I sincerely hope this is clarified next week.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,411 Championing

    I just thought so you get refused pip they tweek it till you have to time to find another benefit what about MR and tribunals so originally they said have 4 weeks to find another benefit ??? You lose pip it cutsoff are they trying to say their will be no appeals does that make sense

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing

    And I thought it was how a condition affects you not what it is . I have ME among other conditions and there’s no cure . Yet I’m constantly assessed.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,411 Championing

    A thought just came to me you get refused pip they will give US 4 weeks and if tweaked 12 weeks to find another benefit that says to me no MR or Tribunals

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,411 Championing

    I personally think you would have to be in a coma or closer to one because on list of people who don't get four it included very serious illnesses disabilities I've wrote this a few times today so you get refused pip they will give you time to find another benefit what about MR Tribunals this is looking more sinister everyday I prey Wales takes them to court for lack of consultations the dwp have till the 16th to respond to dpac letter god they look more evil everyday

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,411 Championing

    Me too I can't even eat meat it hurts me that much

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 168 Empowering
    Ministers on resignation 'watch-list' over welfare reforms

    The government is wary of ministers resigning over potential changes to benefits, Harriet Harman tells the Electoral Dysfunction podcast.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing

    It still has to go to the vote whatever Kendall says

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing

    But the figures don’t show how many people should have been awarded a 4 but as they had enough points for an award they haven’t appealed. I found with my last assessment I was awarded 2 points on at least one , possibly two , where it should of been a 4 but as I was given enhanced I didn’t even check my award letter to the 4? Point rule came about

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing

    I hope they do . It’s the only way to save themselves even if they don’t care about us

  • Dav1D
    Dav1D Online Community Member Posts: 42 Empowering
    edited June 13

    https://www.thecanary.co/long-read/2025/04/01/dwp-cuts-me-cfs/


    Two 'New Labour' party MPs, sit on the parliamentary group for ME (Myalgic encephalomyelitis), and yet at the same time are openly and publicly supporting Labours benefit cuts.


    Freshly elected Exeter MP Steve Race, and Gen Z Labour right newcomer MP for York Outer, Luke Charters.

    The think tank, Labour together, was inextricably wrapped up in the (frankly evil), 'get Britain working group' of 34 Labour MPs. 
    This was brain child of Starmers chief of staff, the infamously despicable low life Morgan McSweeney. (This guy needs to be sacked ASAP)


    (This is a group of extreme right wingers, a product of the demon Blairs New Labour) 
    It is reported that it is already nearly impossible for people with ME to get PIP.


    The most recent data shows 56,102 claiming PIP have ME listed as their primary condition.
    The chairman of the ME association,  wrote to Liz Kendall about the cuts stating that; 
    '...many people with moderate or severe ME/CFS, and Long Covid, are still being refused sickness and disability benefits. They are only succeeding when there is a reconsideration of their case or they go to appeal....'

    MEA writes to the Rt Hon Liz Kendall, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions - The ME Association
    Patients with Long Covid (And other rarer diseases, such as Sarcoidosis, etc) also meet over 50% of the same diagnostic criteria as patients with ME.


    The severe cases are completely crippling, but it is extremely difficult to get recognition of the completely disabling symptoms when claiming benefits.
    More than two million people – including children – are now living with long Covid. 
    it is known that 381,000 long Covid sufferers are “severely limited in their ability to undertake their day-to-day activities”. 


    Since the pandemic struck in 2020, there has been a marked uplift in the number of people claiming health-related benefits.
    If they impose the cuts, the are going to kill people, the most vulnerable, and yet all I see Starmer saying is these cuts are designed to get young people back into work!


    The pathways to work green paper fails to consider that people who meet the very stringent criteria for being in the LCWRA ‘support’ group claiming NS-ESA, who meet the criteria set for both ‘Mobility’ and ‘Risk’, (having spent many years being assessed by numerous expert doctors), may not score 4 points in any one daily living PIP descriptor.  


    Its life or death and they are making people, who have already been through the fire, been through absolute hell, suffer tremendously, by dangling these cuts.
    I think that a lot of this must be down to extreme ignorance about how peoples symptoms affect them. The alternative is that we are dealing with outright evil.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 168 Empowering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing

    Catherine what with your love of horror films and now an animal lover I feel we are twins 👯

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing

    I think they’re just evil. I’d like to put them in a car with no gas and say go on drive around for 12 hours or you will lose all your money. That’s what’s it like living with ME.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 168 Empowering

    This from the times journalist Max Kendrick on X

    Reaction from leading rebels last night was cold. "They’re doing a lot of things short of the thing they’ve actually been asked to do. We had two principal demands ... this addresses neither."
    Even the most moderate say it's very welcome but not yet enough to change their mind

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing
  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 168 Empowering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,495 Championing

    I haven’t heard her say anything about anything. Is she watching and waiting do you think ?

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 168 Empowering
  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 168 Empowering

    More from the Times

    The olive branch on disability cuts will cost about £500m and is already causing concern in government about yet more unfunded spending commitments

    But so far hasn't won over MPs as ministers make clear they aren't shifting on the substance