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can anyone explain what the first paragraph means regarding level of function not always meeting levels of severity. What does that mean ? Is it you have to have same symptoms each day ? Or is you have to have symptoms most of the time not just flares ups ?
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Is this new pip point assessment that I keep coming across exactly how it is going to be.
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Report on the guardian about mps stepping up efforts to quell the rebellion. If anyone can screen shot would be great 👍 🙏
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Does this mean while the WCA is still active or this is in regard to when the it gets abolished and everyone will be assessed with the new pip criteria ?
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The Whips Office will be working overtime. The rumours of 'deselection' for errant MPs is pretty concerning.
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Thank you Ranald ,
What are you thoughts on this going through ? I hope rebels aren’t going to be bought by them scrapping the two child limit . It wouldn’t be fair to treat us a sacrificial lambs . And what does the non negotiable severe conditions mean ? Would we meet criteria from the nhs or the assessors ?
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And rewarding MPs for making a impression, shocking
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@secretsquirrel1 Thank you for sharing this information. Could you please provide a link or reference to the full transcript or source of the extract you posted? I haven't encountered this specific wording before.
From what you've shared, it appears that individuals awaiting surgery or an organ transplant may not meet the criteria, as their condition could potentially improve after treatment, It seems the criteria are designed for disabled applicants with no realistic chance of recovery.
I would appreciate it if you could tell me where I can read this in full. Based on the extract, it seems quite non-negotiable, which is concerning, it could potentially limit the ability to appeal decisions when people are refused PIP under the new rules.
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Thankyou all for all your posts.I have been an 'observer' over the last month or so.I am worried sick about these proposed changes.. Everything effects me,no 4 point descripor, therefore not being eligible for LCWRA etc.
It has been a great support to read the posts.
Thankyou
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Completely agree with that , make the expectations almost impossible , then bargain down to what you wanted in the first place , normally having to compromise on something below that
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Hi MW , it was from benefits and work and posted here by ashmere at 4.19 pm .
I am hoping non negotiable means assessors cannot use their own judgement, that it must come under the NHS criteria for not curable . Though I’m probably being too naive0 -
@secretsquirrel1 sorry is what your referring to to do with special situations where you qualify for the new pip 4 point rule ?
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Please god you’re both right 🙏🤞
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Have a look through your last award letter to see if they've scored you down from what could have been a 4 pointer ....
Going forward gather as much information as possible to support your review …
RECORD the face to face or phone review and let them know you're recording it because they've been known to record false information in past assessments
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Yes I did exactly that and found at least one descriptor that was marked as a 2 but should of been a 4
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Attempts to see off a potential rebellion of Labour MPs over reforms to the way disabled people are assessed will not be enough, Sir Keir Starmer has been warned.
One Labour MP told The i Paper that the olive branch of allowing claimants to keep their personal independence payments for a further three months if they fail to qualify under the new rules is an “insult” to disabled people.
Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall is “massively” underestimating the “anger” on Labour benches, another backbencher said, after she outlined the modifications to her Welfare Reform Bill aimed at winning round mutinous MPs.
The Government wants to push through changes to the personal independent payment (PIP) and universal credit to help save billions of pounds as well as encourage more people into work.
The plans, to be introduced in November next year, are designed to save £5bn a year by tightening up the criteria for claiming.
But dozens of Labour MPs believe the measures will unfairly hit vulnerable people and are threatening to rebel when the bill is voted on next month.
Under a tweak to the reforms, hundreds of thousands of people who no longer qualify for PIP will continue to receive payment for 13 weeks – a more generous transition than the standard four-week period.
The sickest benefit recipients with less than 12 months to live and those with the most serious conditions will automatically get a higher rate of universal credit and will not have to go through reassessments, which take place on average every three years, under her plan.
Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall (Photo: Gareth Fuller/PA)
And a new “right to work” scheme previously announced by Kendall will also be introduced at the same time as the bill so welfare recipients can try to return to work without risking losing their entitlements.
‘An insult to disabled people – I won’t vote for them’
However, five would-be Labour rebels told The i Paper that the modifications did not go far enough.
Leading left-winger Clive Lewis who was shadow defence secretary under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership was dismissive of the changes.
“Did I somehow miss that the NHS can now grow back legs and repair spines in 13 weeks?” he said.
“If that isn’t the case, then I’m afraid the answer is still, no.”
Brian Leishman, the MP for Alloa and Grangemouth, said: “If the revised changes are indeed what the Government think will persuade MPs to now support the plans, then they are mistaken.
“These revised changes are an insult to disabled people and I will not vote for them.”Rachael Maskell, the MP for York Central, who has become outspoken on many issues, added: “These changes will not stop people getting ill and needing support but will cause sick people to deteriorate and lose their independence. It just delays these changes by three months.
“The Government are not reforming the social security system they are just punishing sick and disabled people.”
Another MP said that “nothing has changed” under the new plans.
Andy McDonald, the MP for Middlesbrough and Thornaby East, said: “As far as I can see, extending a transition period will still mean a transition into poverty – and so nothing has changed. The Government needs to address members’ concerns – not confront them.”
Richard Burgon, the MP for Leeds East, described the 13-week transition period as “the social security equivalent of a poor redundancy payment that doesn’t change the fact that the future is bleak for people”.
“Disabled people who need assistance to cut their food, wash themselves, dress themselves and go to the toilet will still be losing their vital support. But just a few weeks later.
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“The idea that this cuts it massively underestimates the concern and anger on the Labour benches and in our constituencies.”
The Department for Work and Pensions has pointed to analysis from the Office for Budget Responsibility suggesting that nine in 10 of existing PIP claimants will still be getting their entitlement by the end of the parliament.Government sources also say that the proposed 13-week transition would be one of the most generous transition periods ever introduced by a government.
Kendall said: “When we set out our reforms we promised to protect those most in need, particularly those who can never work. I know from my 15 years as a constituency MP how important this is. It is something I take seriously and will never compromise on.
“That is why we are putting additional protections on the face of the bill to support the most vulnerable and help people affected by the changes. These protections will be written into law – a clear sign they are non-negotiable.”
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Thankyou for your reply bton1968.
I have taken on board what you have advised.
I have been a wreck these past weeks as have been consumed by the intense anxiety regarding these matters.
As have us all ..
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I read on a previous post that Kendall promised no further assessments for people with lifelong conditions and said it’s non negotiable. I think that’s what you’re referring to . It was posted today at 4.19
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