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100 percent last year no way respond lol human nature funny thing starmer crying over reform get Jeremy in
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OOh Wow
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Exactly that's why everyone strike now honestly I think they will vote against she said a month ago on morning telly she would help push these through but alot has happened in a month
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True I emailed rayner three times mind you can you imagine how many emails a day coming in they are only human and alot are new mps they must be feeling the burn
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Thank you for posting this bton. It just gets worse for them . They claim they need to take away out benefits due to this invisible black hole yet not only will they be taking money from us they’ll probably be giving it straight to other groups so the benefit bill won’t decrease at all , it will increase as we go to tribunal. Not to mention the fact that after realising that by trying to save 5billion they’re upsetting red wall so trying to bribe them with 100 billion. I can’t help feeling that they’re just bribing everyone now to vote against the disabled no matter how much it costs .
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They seem to be u turning for everyone but us though to stop the cuts to pip and continue as we are wont cost extra . It’s just pure hate on their part imo, nothing to do with money.
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Starmer runs number 10 like its a court room as a judge he can hide behind those ridiculous wigs and act doesn't need a personality has to be ruthless to win cases that's what he should have stuck at ! I wonder if they cry at night can you imagine millions of people despise you does money power really make you that thick skinned?? I think with kendell she truly doesn't care she's like a jack Russell at your ankles pathway to work pathway to work must get pathway up and running like planned I can imagine her ripping up her office reeves looks like she hasn't slept since she got in and rayner might as well be staring out the window whistle why you work .... kendell be whistling through her teeth like a boiling kettle if this gets halted or watered down to mush
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Whatever reputation he gained over the years shattered the moment he got into power people was happy at first saying he's for disabled people he's for himself he will go and retire after this with his big fat pension
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Yes no one safe and kendell would definitely tell them to refuse as many as possible we need it halted and impact assessment done and pathway scrapped
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Starmer doing a deal with Saudi Araba 1.6 billion he needs to be stopped he knows he's despised so I think he is malicious to do this to cause uk great struggles
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Retire in shame and under a dark cloud
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Where was all the fuss when Child Benefit became means-tested and is currently awarded to households with an income of up to £80k?
The prospect of Labour fulfilling its goal of scrapping the two-child limit is the best thing I have read on this thread about the Green Paper. I actually felt joyful!
I am astonished at the nonsense promoted here from youtube, populist TV 'news' and Tory newspapers. It feels like Brexit all over again - conflate and repeat. That the 'radical right' in Europe has reached this community forum saddens me.
The disabled community dropped the ball 10 years ago and it needs to dig much, much deeper into past benefit reforms and existing rules. Some of you have clearly never read a Green Paper before this one.
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It must be devastating. That really is the right word.
I had to fight the DWP all the way to tribunal when I first became disabled after being given zero points for DLA as it was then.
I didn't have to go though. I was rung up by them 15 minutes before I was due to go to say they had given me middle care and lower mobility.
That appeal period was absolutely horrible, though with no money and the swift deterioration of my health condition to deal with too.
Thankfully I've been successful ever since but I'm scarred by the experience so I really do sympathise with what you're having to go through. 😞
I believe that the Labour Leadership are terrorising us to try to demolise us again as things are going our way. Having just had the experience that you've had, you will no doubt be feeling very down and throughly oppressed by the system.
I don't blame you for feeling that way at all but however badly you feel, please don't believe that we are back at square one. I don't think that we are. They just want us to lose hope. That way they could win and we cannot allow that to happen under any circumstances!! 😳
I read that that FT article as saying that they will forget the 4 point rule but will raise the minimum amount of points you need just to qualify for PIP daily living to 12 from the current 8.
That effectively means that everyone who is at standard rate at the moment, will lose PIP if they can't get a minimum of 12 points to match those on enhanced rates.
I think it's outrageous, it's little better than the four point rule as far as I'm concerned. 😡 We must not accept a few crumbs off the rich man's table. I don't think for one moment that rebelling Labour MPs will accept it either!
I found that article in the i paper for you and I've put another one on for everybody from them which I think is really encouraging. 😊
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Thank you juls , I enjoy our chats 🙏
My pip experience was when it first came out so probably 8-9 years ago and it still haunts me . It left me bed ridden but there have been people treated even worse, some have passed away due to the process as we know. I think assessors need to follow guidelines of how they award points in the same way judges have minimum sentences etc. Funny how I compare pip assessors to judges .
Yes thank you for posting. So do you think they mean no more standard just 12 plus for enhanced or nothing ? So the people on standard who currently get a 4 point would be disabled if they stick to their original plan but if they change it they won’t be disabled any longer . Honestly this government is like a carry on film and not so funny
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From Benefits and Work site
Troubling picture of Timms emerges from meeting with campaigners
Published: 30 May 2025
A troubling picture of DWP disability minister Stephen Timms has emerged from a meeting he held with campaigners from the Christian charity Church Action on Poverty. Timms allegedly walked wordlessly around a disabled woman collapsed on the floor in order to leave the meeting and did not send a message afterwards to check how she was.
Four campaigners had a thirty minute meeting with Timms about the Pathways To work Green Paper and told the Disability News Service that the minister would not listen to their arguments.
One of the campaigners said the Timms had gone into the meeting “with his foot stamped down” and when he was challenged with difficult questions he became “abrupt and defensive”.
She said: “There was no expression of warmth, there was no sitting and listening; he was expressionless.
“There was no change in his expression, that was what was odd.
“He just kept saying, ‘It’s going to work, it’s going to work,’ like a child.”
Timms told the campaigners that the cuts to benefits would cause a “cultural change in disabled claimants”.
“When we asked him what he meant, he said: ‘People like yourselves, with support, you could go to work.’”
This was in spite of the fact that one of the attendees, Mary Passeri, had formerly been a further education lecturer who had lost three jobs because she kept collapsing due to ger health conditions.
When Passeri, who had travelled three hours from York to be at the meeting, passed out at the end of the meeting it is alleged that Timms edged around the table and past the collapsed activist, leaving the room without saying a word.
Afterwards a first aider arrived, but Timms did not send any kind of message to enquire after Passeri’s wellbeing.
Passeri said Timms behaviour was “a good indication of how removed he is from disabled people”.
The picture that emerges from the meeting, if accurate, suggest a minister deeply devoid of empathy who has replaced listening to evidence with a blind faith that if only the reforms can be forced through they are certain to work.
It is an alarming thought that this is the man who has already begun work on rewriting the assessment criteria for PIP.
Meanwhile, claimants and other campaigners will probably be better served by putting evidence of the harm the Green Paper will do in front of backbenchers who are still willing to listen.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/troubling-picture-of-timms-emerges-from-meeting-with-campaigners
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I read excerpts from a book about starmer written by some Lord I think . He didn’t seem impressed with starmer as a lawyer
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Horrible excuse for a so called man with faith. They treat us with contempt and something they have trodden in. How has it come to this where even a little empathy is not even shown, disgusting.
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And that’s exactly why he got the job . Starmer has put people that hate the disabled in jobs that effect us the most
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It’s changes to the assessment that worries me . How can they find ways to make it harder ?
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It certainly won't be about money. The Labour leadership recently announced £113 billion for capital spending (everything from new schools and hospitals to nuclear power stations) but from what I can hear, from being a regular listener to LBC news, they keep pleading poverty when it comes to all public services. 😤 We are not the only ones, even if we are at the sharp end of all their penny pinching.
They will get a lot of capital investment from capital spending so therefore large donations to the Labour Party. That will mean individual donations to line the pockets of the Labour Ministers that we detest. 😒
The leadership don't care that other Labour MPs will lose their seats at the next GE. They will have secured their futures.
I believe that they do hate us as we have done such a great job of informing MPs, other decision makers, influential people etc. of the truth about how our lives are going to be ruined by these cuts with no regard for the most basic of human rights laws.
The sentiment is mutual, that's for sure!! 😡
I've seen your next post to me but I've got an optictions appointment early in the afternoon and know it will take me a while to recover from the PEM. Once I'm recovered I will get straight back to you. 👍😊
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