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  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 88 Empowering

    There is a few lawyers waiting for more details ready to fight this but need to know the parts they are hiding.

    I feel in fairness they should stop them till the government share everything if they have nothing to hide

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 462 Trailblazing
    edited June 8

    At least you're getting some replies. While I've emailed 11 MPs among those Labour MPs who openly support social security payments cuts plus Angela Rayner and all I get is this type of response:

    "In order to respond to your email, could you please supply your full address, including post code, and a contact telephone number?"

    At least they've read my nasty email, polite though.

    I only got a (satisfactory) response from my MP, who openly said that she would vote against the evil proposals.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 243 Trailblazing

    Courts have consistently ruled that policy decisions made without proper impact assessments can be unlawful, regardless of the policy's "merits", I think that is another piece of food for thought.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 243 Trailblazing
    edited June 8

    I copy and pasted an extract from a Guardian article from today. Labour will lose seats in Wales over this. Labour seem to have this wish to alienate their own voters in Labour orientated seats.

    Disability benefit cuts will affect Wales disproportionately, campaigners say. 

    The proposals, which are still at the consultation stage, would further compound poverty and exclusion for disabled people in Wales, according to the chief executive of Disability Wales, Rhian Davies.

    “It’s not just individuals who will be out of pocket, entire communities will be affected. Our survey of members showed that people are angry and terrified and some reported suicidal thoughts, which is very concerning,” she said.

    “We must address the systemic failures that keep disabled people out of work and public life before we start looking at reforming the benefits system.”

    About 900,000 people, or 27% of Wales’ population, live with a disability, according to Public Health Network Cymru – higher than the UK average of 22% – and 11% of working-age people, compared with 7% in England.

  • bellatango
    bellatango Online Community Member Posts: 47 Contributor
    edited June 8

    Ministers are exploring ways to soften the blow of billions of pounds of cuts to benefits amid a major Labour revolt, The i Paper understands.

    Tweaks are being considered to the plan to save £5bn by cutting personal independence payments (PIP) for disabled people, and universal credit for those off work with sickness as up to 170 MPs threaten to rebel against the changes.

    But while ministers are holding talks with concerned MPs, they remain minded to push ahead with the policy as it is currently planned, confident that they can win the argument and win over doubters.

    Even if the Government did try and soften the welfare crackdown, The i Paper has been told that many MPs will still rebel as they want the entire plan scrapped.

    One of the changes reported to be under consideration to water down the changes is giving disability claimants a longer transition period if they are due to lose a benefit to apply for an alternative form of welfare support.

    But The i Paper understands rebels are determined to vote against the cuts when they are introduced in legislation due this month and want the money saved to be raised instead from taxing wealthy individuals.

    Rebels are also understood to be pleased with recent announcements on extending free school meals and a partial U-turn on winter fuel payment cuts, as well as signals that the two-child benefit cap could be scrapped.

    But they have privately warned that this will not be enough to get them to change their minds and back the welfare cuts, which they fear could be a political mistake on the scale of the scrapping of the universal winter fuel allowance.

    “Over 150 colleagues are refusing to back down on this issue and have signalled this to the Government and Chief Whip,” one MP said.

    “The Government needs to think again and prioritise the needs of those who are most in need.

    “These measures are a betrayal of Labour’s core values and will only exacerbate the suffering of those already struggling after 14 years of the Tories.

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    “It’s time for the Government to listen to its own MPs, put the interests of the vulnerable first and tax those with the broadest shoulders properly.”

    Rebel Labour MP Rachael Maskell said: “Disabled people are very frightened about losing vital support which enables them to live and function. 

    “Government must end the speculation and end their plans to cruelly make disabled people suffer more than they already do.  

    “Government must recognise that it got these cuts completely wrong, ditch them and move forward in ensuring we have a social security system which properly and adequately supports all in need while the health sector presses ahead to better manage those in ill health.”

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 219 Empowering
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    Front page of Monday's I Newspaper - 9 June 2025.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,394 Championing

    Why doesn’t starmer explain what these other benefits are ? Is it because he means giving TP for the 5 weeks instead of 2 while waiting for uc basic to start ? But if we are unable to engage with work will we be eligible ?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 243 Trailblazing
    edited June 9

    None of this makes sense, when they scrap the wca I presume there won't be a LCW, just a binary fit for work or lcwra/pip so what other benefits are there to claim?

    It's going to be a disaster if this passes, a chaotic disaster. There will be people clearly not fit for work, who will lose PIP and LCWRA being given sanctions for not being able to work, this will be terrible.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    Yes my mp sends same email over and over must have sent him 40 messages

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    Exactly I been asked loads for name address just ignore like you said they see the message

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    Longer time to find other benefits ???? Pls Lord let them scrap this makes my heart stop a beat

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    Longer time no that's just prolonging the suffering find what other benefits jsa ???

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    Write to mps saying this is just a smoke screen and prolonging the suffering??? No common sense if they think that's a compromise hell No email today everybody

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    Email all mps I just done 5 will do everyday just point the obvious out we have over two weeks keep pushing back so so draining but has to be done

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    No way good enough just prolonging the pain and what other benefits jsa this lot are really something else email your mp and let them know what sort of joke is this ??

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing
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    II'd love to wake up and hear the news he's been ousted out !!! Never in my 53 years felt such darkness eloped around me I think thier watching Me feel like thier in my home does anyone know how to get him out

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,394 Championing

    I haven’t received a single reply so far . I think everyone you and I email should attach the CAB pathway to poverty link . I think alit of mps are being told lies and they don’t really know enough about disability benefits.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,275 Championing

    Have been sending all articles regarding people past RIP today going to message all over again and I will put cab the pot so for next two weeks focus on letting them know giving more time is no way softening the BLOW it's prolonging agony with same outcome sorry big letters they could drive a saint mad hope your OK

  • stressed76
    stressed76 Online Community Member Posts: 78 Empowering

    Ive sent an email to my local mp (who has said in the past she doesnt like the changes to pip & certain other aspects of the cuts), Angela & John McDonnel, asking them not to fall for it pointing out that there is no other disability benefit its just PIP & asking why something the public don't want, labour members don't want is been pushed is it to destroy the labour party? Asked them to check the facts & not the spin. That unlike the WFA cut which attacked people across the spectrum the disability cuts attack their own voters. That people are been pushed to reform because why bother voting red or blue if its just the same. That these cuts will also push away parents whose kids get DLA as they might get help in the future.