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Someone is lobbying Labour to do all of this, my two cents is on Tony Blair but for a party to do a complete 180 and turn into such dreadful, spiteful people, it just stinks to me.
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The purported suggestions, which are not very clear, are brought out by newspapers and not the government or the DWP.
The Guardian was among them. It said that a government source had told the Guardian that this was an option the government had been considering. But sources in Downing Street and Whitehall denied it was on the table.
Newspapers/outlets are contributing to the mental torture the damn government and its Prime Monster are inflicting on us, by speculating, forming their own opinions, and making them official news at our confusion.
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Likewise, I've had confirmation from two of the top spinal surgeons in the country that nothing more can be done for me to improve the condition, plus I have general failing health due to age and Crohn's. I don't know how DWP can think they are more experienced than these two guys 🤬
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I’m sure the government leak info to see the reaction it gets . Like the leak regarding the green paper. They always deny but I don’t think the press make it all up tbh . I’ve seen pics of starmer with his mates , the press .
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..and this is why this whole thing is such a shambles.
They clearly haven't done any research whatsoever (they obviously haven't even bothered to simply Google some of these conditions we're living with).
With that in mind this is obviously (as we have all thought from the start) nothing more than a cost cutting exercise which they have aimed at society's most vulnerable. They won't tax the rich because there will be an outcry (and look at what the farmers are doing).
I can't put the words I just said out loud as I don't want to get kicked off 😉 but anyone else would get hauled over the coals for bullying ill and disabled people.1 -
Hardly Faith, Hope and Charity are they…
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Ok.
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It's a rollercoaster that's for sure they are talking BS now so many people against them no mps even thier own doesn't want to go down with them honestly thier trained to talk the talk but theu have all against them try to eat little and often my go to is a bath the whole of society designed to keep us down scared they have to up the fear level for us to be grateful if they do little tweaks we got so so many behind us it's unbelievable look at all the bad press they get and we forget the good press we get one article triggers us they have ohhh 10 articles a day about how useless theu are you got this we are strong to put up with this I was same roaring to my doctor everyday different more of us than them and yes we will use our votes to oust whoever votes for this big hugs xx
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I absolutely agree with you that it's common that governments leak their intentions to test the waters. But the news outlets too play their game by speculating on things. I think we need to see what they publish. If they're honest, they should consult sick and disabled people and relevant charities and organisations on any new assessment formula. They don't care much about our reactions, as they already know them. Yesterday, Stephan Timms didn't care about the epileptic woman who collapsed on the floor next to him., leave alone our reactions.
They're not even willing to put forward their intentions to their own MPs and ask them for their suggestions and input.
Unlike the Tories, they don't even want to scrap reassessments for the current claimants, which could lift pressure from both sides. But they don't want to do this, as they want to recover billions from current claimants by cutting their benefits.
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"Newspapers/outlets are contributing to the mental torture"
As do forum threads which republish propaganda and fete dangerous individuals!
(I don't mean you Passerby but generally)
There was much less communication via social media when UNSAFE welfare reforms were passed in 2012 and again in 2016 but misinformation was the default position and I can see it happening again.
Community groups, mental health campaigners, charities, advice centres, newspapers are provided with just enough information and/or funding to make a difference at a local level but no more. Any group or forum can be infiltrated and led astray. I strongly suspected that the guy organising protests outside my job centre was a double-agent for reasons I won't go into. John Pring was warned he'd get no more briefings from DWP if he didn't drop the "secret plans to scrap ESA regs 29 and 35" story. Members tell me those reforms happened a long time ago *yawn* 😴 and others demand proof with links. When I joined this forum someone told me there was no evidence that DWP spies here 🤣
Critical changes to working-age benefits began on April 2013 and they are as relevant now as they were then. We are still skirting around the edges. War on Welfare is donkeys years old but we're in danger of being kept from the truth by our own doing!
I won't swamp this thread with past Green Papers but I recommend a good look so we can have meaningful discussion on this thread..
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What does Labour and co think will happen to people who will lose their benefits? Not everyone who is disabled is immobile, people will resort to criminality such as shoplifting to feed themselves and or their loved ones, shoplifting is already on the rise even with Pensioners.
This saga will be a stain on the Labour party and it will take a generation to wash off if it ever does. This is the worst government in my lifetime and Reform/Farage will be even worse but don't worry Immigration will go down, do you think immigration will be the most important thing a disabled person will think about as he or she suffers further cuts to their benefits from Farage backed by Labour and the Telegraph, Sun and Daily Mail?
Don't vanish, don't give up and don't crawl into a corner waving the white flag, be a thorn in their sides, never forget the contempt they showed us, reciprocate it, don't cry, don't waste your tears on people who wouldn't waste theirs on us.
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Very, very worrying indeed that this is the man who will be rewriting the assessment criteria for PIP.
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What I meant was to see how much backlash things will get as they need this to pass the vote. They are far worse than the Tory’s imo . Just pure evil and I don’t think this is about saving money. The amount saved would be a tiny amount compared to what they’re spending.
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Silver fox said once papers turn on you ie starmer like they did yesterday BBC news and The Guardian he said your done who would take his place
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If we could sue for defamation slander damage to psychical and mental health they would have to pay out trillions such a sick set up very sinister
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Who would take his place
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Disability talk with Steve has a video out regarding Timms and the lady who took ill at the meeting. Timms needs sacking . This should be all over the msm . Sorry I can’t link but I’m sure someone will
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Found the link for you, hope it works okay😊
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h90OoBrZd3s
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Thanks Charlie, It’s so disgusting I don’t know how he hasn’t been sacked
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Hi all,
I’ve been sending to article regarding Timms to starmer , Corbyn, Badenoch so far . I think tmrw I’ll look up John McDonnell. It may be a good idea for us to send it to them to make them aware this is not acceptable to us. Obviously msm covering it up .
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