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  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing

    Yes. We should all work if we are able. Who on earth would choose to live on a pittance rather than pursue a worthwhile career path? But some of us are simply too disabled/ I'll for adjustments to be worth a jot. I think back 30 years and the supposed "dot com" revolution. Yet as I found, the bigger the online company the bigger the HQ. Work from home has only been possible for a minority outside of the pandemic. Even that would be top much for me now. I went out for an hour this morning. I've been sleeping or in my chair ever since.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 315 Championing

    If I ever, I mean ever have a Reform or a Tory or a Labour canvasser or representative at this door my mother will give them a piece of her mind and I might get the courage to verbally put them in touch also.

    I would love to see that cretin Richard Tice be on 70 pounds a week living in a council estate, not using BUPA and having to rely on the NHS, you know he cheated on his wife with Isabel Oakshott? that's the kind of man he is. Why should this country listen to a word he has to say? Please tell me.

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  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Community Member Posts: 194 Empowering

    Starmer and Rayner be gone by September

  • Fuzzy200
    Fuzzy200 Community Member Posts: 52 Empowering

    I think to Conservatives want to target anyone who suffers from stress, autism ect. This makes for grim reading.

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-starmer-assisted-dying-trump-israel-iran-labour-12593360

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  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 315 Championing

    The Tories want Starmer to cut even harder and if Reform had their way there wouldn't be a welfare state.

  • geckobat
    geckobat Community Member Posts: 205 Empowering

    So Kemi's answer to 'people want change' is more of the same awful decisions only worse than before.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    Robert peston ITV

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    Starmer is still doing bullying tactics

  • Martinp
    Martinp Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering

    open season on disabled people

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 315 Championing

    Starmer and McSweeney and Reeves and Timms and Streeting and Kendall are doing permanent damage to the Labour party, it's imploding on itself.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing

    It appears to be taken for granted that the Bill is indeed a Money Bill. I can scarcely believe it. I think we're scuppered.

    From "The Guardian":

    Why timetable for welfare bill leaves very little time for amendments to be agreed

    The timetable for the UC and Pip bill announced by Lucy Powell at business questions today has important consequences for the Labour MPs who want to see it amended. Ruth Fox, director of the Hansard Society, explains them here in a thread on Bluesky.

    "The Government cramming Committee, Report & 3rd Reading into 1 day the week after 2nd Reading (so much for intervals between stages...) means if they pull the Bill they will have 2 days of Commons business to fill. But of greater concern is that this timetable has important implications for those Labour MPs who have signed the reasoned amendment. If the Govt promises concessions in advance of 2nd Reading those will only crystallise at Committee Stage on the 9 July. If they are not quite right, or what the MPs think they were signing up for there will be little time for making changes. If normal procedures are followed the Government should table amendments at least one sitting week in advance - so by the end of Wed 2nd July, the day after 2nd Reading. Non Government MPs will be able to table their own amendments up to three sitting days beforehand - so by the end of the sitting on Friday 4 July. But if MPs are not happy with the proposals made they will have to be resolved on the floor of the Chamber itself on the 9th. This is where the lack of time for reflection, taking advice, can get messy with amendments being proposed and voted on almost in real time. The Bill will go to the House of Lords but it is a money bill so the Lords does not normally have a Committee and Report stage (it is “negatived” in parliamentary parlance) to amend the Bill. They debate it at 2nd Reading and then the remaining stages are a formality.

    This underlines how important the Commons scrutiny is. There is no revising backstop for money bills."

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 315 Championing

    If it's a money bill and if Starmer relies on Tory support then he's finished only if the size of the Labour rebellion is at least 160mps.

    This is political kamikaze.

  • alex25
    alex25 Community Member Posts: 21 Contributor

    I read this earlier. So if I understand it, they drag the concessions consultation out, constituents will have no opportunity to raise concerns on amendments to their MPs, who only have a day in the chamber to challenge amendments.

    That’s how I’m reading it but could be wrong. It feels like another almighty stitch-up incoming. It simply needs to be stopped.

  • waylander9602
    waylander9602 Community Member Posts: 73 Empowering

    I thought it would be a money bill

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Hi MW ,

    There’s talk of a money bill again, do you think it’s going that way now ? Where do we stand now , are we in a strong position or is the possible amendment not enough to save us

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Community Member Posts: 401 Pioneering

    I emailed Grahame Morris to thank him for adding his name to that list and ststicking to his word. Along with Vicky Foxcroft, he is one of the few Labour politicians that have old school Labour values, looking after the underdog.

    A very kind and compassionate man.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing

    If the Bill passes its Second Reading, MPs have minimal time to consider any concessionary ammendment properly irrespective of input from constituents. I'm shattered that this appears to be a Money Bill... assuming the Guardian is correct. That reduces my hope that the reasoned ammendment will be accepted by the Speaker. I can open hope that this filthy business infuriates MPs of all persuasions.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing

    I am at a loss to understand why "The Guardian" accepts the Bill's status as a Money Bill. Insight anybody?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    It seems to have started with that letter signed by Corbyn but I’ve never seen anything from the government to say it is . What don’t understand is how he can rush it through in a day , isnt it against the rules ? He simply doesn’t listen to people.

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