Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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I am not one of those idiots either if you don't mind... I have investigated the increases in benefit claims etc before I typed about it on this forum. I also know young people that claim LCWRA that train regularly in gyms and can lift colossal weight. They use steroids to build huge muscular frames. The benefits systems are being fleeced and the DWP know they are, hence more investigators have been employed and claimants bank accounts checked. You have a point about cost of living but would these people claim ill health benefits?
The increases in working age claiming ill health benefits since lockdown is costing £34 billion not Reeves so called £5 billion and is unsustainable. There is definitely something amiss as it has never been seen previously. There were 1/4m claims for PIP the first quarter of this year, when once it was no more than 45k.
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I have read the article and the figures quoted are different to what I have read and investigated. The increases in working age claiming ill health benefits since lockdown has gone up by 2/3 and is costing £34 billion not the £5 billion Reeves is claiming back. This is why the Conservatives wanted to go further. I am not spreading misinformation, it is known by the DWP that benefits systems are being fleeced and they are employing more investigators to catch the perpetrators, even checking claimants bank accounts which has started and I thought was for UC but I have been informed PIP as well from the bank itself. Everything I type has been investigated. Thank you for your kind words.
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we'll have to wait and see as liz kendall is giving all the details of the concessions on monday.hopefully we will get clarity on whats going to happen.
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Right so that's that then people in the position that I'm in of being on CBESA / LCWRA but no pip will be assessed under the new 4 point criteria then .... Absolutely criminal , these concessions have changed nothing for us then
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I give up .... at least I know what's what now ....November 2026 the new pip criteria won't apply to us no matter if we're assessed before or after that date it will still be with the WCA , it's when the WCA gets scrapped in 2028 / 2029 is when it will affect us and we will have too take the new 4 point criteria .... I'll just keep taking the WCA until it gets abolished , I should get one more as I'm 3 and a half years overdue so I will be getting one before the WCA gets scrapped , if they start in April 2026 again I'm hoping I can go without one till beginning of 2027 , then pass it and get a 2 year award meaning that will take me till beginning of 2029 , then I'll just take it from there 😩 absolutely nothing has changed whatsoever , these concessions mean nothing for us , it's vile what they are doing .... Obviously the most are happy with this , all the ones that have dropped out of the rebellion are cowards
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The population of disabled people is something like 16 million, of which around 3 million claim PIP. That's an indication that most disabled people don't claim PIP/have been refused. PIP is notoriously underclaimed. I can't speak about ESA/UC as I have never claimed it. But official DWP figures on PIP fraud is 0.2%. 1000 people may be applying for PIP each day. There is no proof all, or even any of them are awarded.
When I went through my shift from DLA to PIP my then support worker told me she had several people who were so traumatised by the initial first rejection they could not appeal even though they had all the evidence. She admired me for fighting on - but that fight left me with a healthy fear of dealing with the DWP. The number of mistakes in my case were so many that my disability advisor at the time suggested I find a lawyer. That was a 'face to face' review. (Sidenote, but face to face reviews are also not suitable for all disabled people, and if doing everything the same way puts someone disabled at a disadvantage, it is technically in breach of Equalities legislation).
I went to tribunal, which was utterly unnecessary and that lengthy process also cost me in employment terms because it prevented me from completing some academic aspects that ultimately have kept me from pursuing the career path I intended.My review was done over the phone with my advocate, it was a lot less stressful and there was a lot less fighting. It was a relief to have my case handled in that way. Any disabled person who thinks that the way my case was first settled is 'better' because it was face to face is not well informed about the damage unnecessary appeals do to people's lives.
…I am a disabled person who has managed to get back into work. Only 22% of autistic people are in employment, because of systemic ableism (see the Buckland Report), but I managed it. The majority of people who are unemployed for more than a year do not easily find work - but I was in lockdown with my medically vulnerable relative for two years and I still have a job. The government didn't help me with this specifically, but PIP did help me generally :)
…I am frankly so tired of anyone - whether they be disabled or not - casting sweeping judgement on other people's disability experiences or PIP claims when they have no knowledge about anyone else except themselves.
Also, long Covid is a thing. My sister caught COVID at the very start of the pandemic, before they even really knew what it could do. She was one of the lucky ones in that her employer accommodated her working from home as she recovered, and she is now more or less (but not entirely) back to what she was before the pandemic hit. That's five years. It also impacted her asthma which means she now has more asthma medication than she used to. People who underestimate the impact of COVID are frankly just not helpful to the community as a whole.In all other respects, lengthy waiting lists and lack of medical access is a big part of why we see people reaching crisis where they might not have done if they had had support.
Let's not scapegoat each other unnecessarily. Some disabilities are not more valid than others. In this space we should be safe from misinformation and other people's prejudices :)
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I haven't seen him on the daily mail, but to say stuff like he has he cannot really be claiming PIP .
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This is exactly how i interpreted it from the start, that those in support group ESA will be literally thrown under a bus. Deleted from existence. It’s all about PIP.
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^^^
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Thats fine.
I don't have any recent letters but I sent letters from the past because its verified medical evidence and though technically medical evidence isn't required, I have always been asked if I have been medically diagnosed to which I answered yes I sent evidence and it was referred to in my decision reports.
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So I just got a letter from DWP telling me that my existing claim expires in December 2025, I got PIP under SR as I was terminal at the time, had an emergency transplant which bought me some time and my medication although keeping me alive is killing me.
There is nothing about a review it tells me that I have to make a new claim for PIP, does this then mean I then have to claim on the new system as in have 4 points for a daily living category with all the new rules, or does that only apply to new people claiming.0 -
Morning luv pink , I’ve . always got a GP letter too , in fact I have one from years ago which says my condition is chronic with poor prognosis .
It says on the form not to get a gp letter though. It’s all really confusing as I have heard some people are getting review forms with 89 pages and others the AR1 form which I have .
Regarding the concessions I watched dynamic duo and he said that we will not be subject to the 4? Point rule in future as we are on file as a claimant for 6! Years even if we lose pip as they the assessor looks back at our previous report. Obviously not agreeing to the new Keir two tier idea but I keep reading that the concession will only be for a few years and it’s a trick . I can’t understand it at all . Hope this makes sense and brain fog is bad and my phones acting the same as my brain right now 😂
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it’s doing my head in too, people on here say we are not protected but government do. Don’t know what to think, just making me worry more and more
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I don’t understand after this almost brought the government down ( may be a bit dramatic here) how they would trick the MPs who started the amendment. Surely the 126 rebels are all stupid ? Not that I trust the Labour government at all but look at the backlash . And regarding the two tier system, it shows that the rebels were only interested in saving their seats with the current claimants. They aren’t interested in the future claimants as right now the voters who are healthy are not thought to be interested in pip at the moment. Obviously that doesn’t include those on DLA or children. But that seems to be their thinking, including Meg hillier . IMO
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Thank you
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Hi @Trevor_PIP - Please see:
This is said about PIP overpayments:
'The Personal Independence Payment overpayment rate was at the lowest recorded level of 0.4% (£90m) in FYE 2024, compared with 1.1% (£200m) in FYE 2023, which was a statistically significant decrease.'
[Fraud was 0.0%, whilst DWP official error in underpayment was 0.4%]
Yes, I'd read there was a small trial also looking at PIP claimants bank accounts, tho the DWP seem to be looking to test UC, Pension Credit & ESA where 'incorrect payments are currently the highest':
Undoubtably during the Covid-19 pandemic there were criminals fraudulently claiming UC. But, & this is just my personal opinion, whilst even some of our members have made errors & we always say to let the DWP know about their genuine mistakes asap, such errors are a far cry from actual benefit fraud. I'll leave it there.
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