Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Exactly what is the concession for people on LCWRA?
I keep hearing that we're protected which is very vague, protected in what way? It was already decided before the concessions that people already on LCWRA won't have the health element halved (unless after April next year you get thrown off it and then reclaim which will then make you a new claimant), so it's something else, but what exactly?
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That's a Xmas present Michael. I doubt the local taxi company and grass cutter will be happy with vouchers.
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Spare a thought for those on Contribution based ESA as they are being massively overlooked in all of this PIP talk.
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I've heard that cbesa is getting merged with job seekers to create employment insurance....
But I'm not sure that would apply to people in the support group of ESA and the UC lcwra group (especially existing claimants ) .... I don't see how they could do that to be honest , also they have said repeatedly that existing claimants who claim the health element will be protected
The 4 point criteria is what worries me because technically we will be new pip claims , but surely as we are existing claimants of ESA support group and UC we will be assessed under the current criteria
I think all we can do is wait and see what and what doesn't get voted through next week , then we will know what's what ....
Yes I'm the same as you cbesa every two weeks 281 pounds
Then end of the month just over 800 but they deduct 609 pounds from my ESA , leaves me with 214 ..... So about 775 a month
I agree it's shocking this has gone under the radar as it will effect alot of people , they haven't been clear about this at all
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I don't think cbesa / new style ESA will merge with job seekers until after the WCA is scrapped anyway .... So really I would think we will just keep getting reassessed under the current WCA until 2028 , we will know along time before that what were up against
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I agree with posts from @mrsBB and @MW123 I don't trust this government either. Current PIP claimants will keep their PIP? PIP claimants are losing their PIP now, I know of a young man with mental health issues who was on PIP Enhanced both elements, now is on zero and a parent has lost the Carers allowance too. Members post on this forum getting zero points from assessments who are on Enhanced PIP rates.... I don't read about any of the changes, whatever is voted through will mean nothing if they want people of UC and PIP. Assessors or Decision Managers will just reduce the points which they are doing right now and always done!! It is a money saving exercise as in 2020 there were only 2m claiming PIP from it's start in 2013 (I think). Now just under 5 years later there are now 3.7m claiming PIP, 1.7m more in less than 5 years and over and after lockdowns. Face to face appointments stopped what I went through.... Something is amiss whatever way you look at it. Reeves wants this voted through and then it will start, if she goes for more tax off working people experts reckon there will be trouble in this country. Currently you don't have have to earn that much now to be paying 40% tax, that does upset working people already! The country is getting to be a joke, if it was not so serious! That's my thoughts on the issue.
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Haha don't use either I did consider getting a trampoline to help me clean the upstairs windows but she who must be obeyed put her foot down
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Hi chiaried,
It says AR1 but not the numbers at the bottom. It’s 32 pages including the information on how to fill it in . I t does say not to send a GP letter of support but I’m no longer under hospital specialist due to there being no treatment for ME and fibromyalgia. Plus the other conditions I have . Should I just get one anyway ? The Dr I see isn’t my named Dr at the surgery so I don’t want them asking someone who hasn’t seen me .
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This is very confusing to me because regardless of the concession, if they scrap the WCA as planned, won't any reassessment be under new PIP rules for LCWRA too? They had said the reassessments should be running properly again too I thought, so it sounded like they wanted everyone reassessed.
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I agree with the comment above reproduced here, sorry Icannot remember contributors name: traumatised memory from domestic violence a blow to the head, and big scar.:
Spare a thought for those on Contribution based ESA as they are being massively overlooked in all of this PIP talk.
Shouldn't we be campaigning with Disability Rights UK, and disability Aliance etc. to stop the cut of ESA, I will investigate legal options from Mind Legal Unit, public health lawyers etc. and report back, unless someone knows already?
Can we get the abolition of ESA reversed and on what legal and moral grounds:?
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We DO need to campaign to get abolition of ESA reversed, if at all possible, the more we make it hard for the govt to implement disability benefits reforms the better:
May I suggest a template letter, and add your own individual comments for more impact:
Dear MP, [ if you know not who your MP is go to ''findyourMP'' please.
Good luck, and determination.
Please can you tell my why ESA has been abolished.
I have lost £
a week about 121 quid.
This has not been discussed in Parliament, or in the media.
Why?
Can you raise it as a Q at PMQs, and get back to us?
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I agree with geckobat it is very confusing if LCRWA is retained or not under PIP UC reforms.
Please go to
www.cab.org.uk
and Google ''Disability Rights UK''
and report back to us all.
You'd alleviate your own anxiety and confusion, and help others, if you did the above.
We do need expert advice from the professionals.
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I have no idea , I'm on cbesa and lcwra but no pip
CBESA / new style ESA is said to be merging with jobseekers to make a new benefit called employment insurance , so I have absolutely no idea how that will affect my award or my NI credits
Then when the WCA gets scrapped in 2028 I have no idea whether we will get assessed under current pip criteria or the new 4 point criteria.....
Absolutely criminal what's happening to us , I guess will no more once the it gets passed .... Surely most will question this in the reading of the bill
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I'm on just LCWRA and my mind's been spinning since the start of this bill trying to understand what will happen. This side of it continues to be brushed over or mentioned only briefly. It's frustrating.
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Absolutely , we will just have to stay alert and wait and see what gets passed and what doesn't .... It's such a mess at the minute there isn't much point trying to guess , were in the same boat so if I hear anything I'll let you know 👍
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I'm not referring to sites like this and B&W. I'm talking about communities on social networks, tiktok, etc. where there is absolutely no doubt people are being encouraged to game and cheat the system by people running accounts seeking followers and ad revenue.
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I never said the words "extremely large" or even "large". I'm saying these communities exist on popular social networks where clout chasers are encouraging people to quit their jobs and game the benefits system.
The people running the accounts don't care about anyone but themselves. They want followers, views, ad revenues. The PIP system is now so clogged up with applications that people are waiting years to get decisions.
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The people I'm talking about are not disabled people online. The people I refer to online run accounts on IG, Tiktok, YouTube etc. telling people to quit their jobs and how to claims thousands every month from the government. They have zero interest in helping people with legitimate problems. They provide step-by-step guides how to maximise your welfare payments, even explaining how to fake certain conditions.
The government/dwp are clearly aware of these accounts, but seem to prefer to use the abuse as a platform to justify punishing all of us.
Scope is amazing. As is Benefits and Work. I've never seen people on here encouraging people to cheat the system.
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Feels like they are hoping to get the bill through without detailing future plans for LCWRA. As has been suggested, they want a blank cheque to proceed with the next phases of their so-called reforms. Not only on LCWRA, but also reforming the PIP descriptors which could easily hit the people they are pretending to be protecting. Claiming some vague plan to include experts and people with disabilities doesn't commit them to anything.
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Hi @secretsquirrel1 - whilst there's no harm in asking the GP you normally see for a letter, they may likely have a charge for this, & do they actually know much about PIP? How often have they seen you dress/undress, use the bathroom or budget? You don't particularly need info about your conditions, it's how these affect your functional ability to attempt/do any of the applicable activities/descriptors.
Whatever you decide, the most importance thing is your own anecdotal evidence so try & give a couple of detailed, recent examples as to the difficulties you face for those descriptors, e.g. when did this happen, where were you, what exactly happened, why, did anyone else see this, &, importantly for you, how did it leave you feeling afterwards/the consequences, e.g. any increase in pain/fatigue/unable to repeat the activity as often as you'd like?
Remember PIP is how you are the majority of the time, & if you can/can't do an activity 'reliably.' See the section on 'reliability' here, tho this all is good info:
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