Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Well said.
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Is he saying existing that claimants on LCWRA will be reassessed with the new 4 pt based scoring system from Nov. 2026? How, as the WCA would still be out there?
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the 4 point pip rule im referring to if what the mp said is correct.
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I am not one of those idiots either if you don't mind... I have investigated the increases in benefit claims etc before I typed about it on this forum. I also know young people that claim LCWRA that train regularly in gyms and can lift colossal weight. They use steroids to build huge muscular frames. The benefits systems are being fleeced and the DWP know they are, hence more investigators have been employed and claimants bank accounts checked. You have a point about cost of living but would these people claim ill health benefits?
The increases in working age claiming ill health benefits since lockdown is costing £34 billion not Reeves so called £5 billion and is unsustainable. There is definitely something amiss as it has never been seen previously. There were 1/4m claims for PIP the first quarter of this year, when once it was no more than 45k.
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Then, in a couple years' time, there will be no more than a couple of thousands on health element.
How come existing claimants on PIP continue to be reassessed with the current PIP criteria, while the existing claimants on LCWRA will have to be switched to the dreaded 4pt based scoring system?
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I have read the article and the figures quoted are different to what I have read and investigated. The increases in working age claiming ill health benefits since lockdown has gone up by 2/3 and is costing £34 billion not the £5 billion Reeves is claiming back. This is why the Conservatives wanted to go further. I am not spreading misinformation, it is known by the DWP that benefits systems are being fleeced and they are employing more investigators to catch the perpetrators, even checking claimants bank accounts which has started and I thought was for UC but I have been informed PIP as well from the bank itself. Everything I type has been investigated. Thank you for your kind words.
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In an ideal world I’d agree with you, I would. The likes of Shell, BP and big pharma could and should be paying more taxes. That in itself would be a massive financial relief for the country.
But when these companies use the loopholes like basing their businesses abroad they escape the taxes.
Not to mention all the back handers. But let’s not go there.
The sad fact is, we are a small island who is grossly overpopulated. Overpopulated with many many people who take rather than contribute to the system.
Labour aren’t Labour anymore, they’re Champaign socialists.
Governments will always make the rich richer while the poor get poorer.
Unfortunately what’s on offer in way of the amendment is pretty much the best we can hope for.
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we'll have to wait and see as liz kendall is giving all the details of the concessions on monday.hopefully we will get clarity on whats going to happen.
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It's difficult for me to understand that there are approximately 2.5 million claimants on LCWRA/Support Group, yet I don't see many of them discussing the fate of their award, leave alone fighting for it. The whole discussion been revolving around PIP despite 2.5 million claimants are being on LCWRA. This has led them to be thrown under the bus.
It seems that people who are on both LCWRA and PIP do not care about losing their LCWRA!
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Right so that's that then people in the position that I'm in of being on CBESA / LCWRA but no pip will be assessed under the new 4 point criteria then .... Absolutely criminal , these concessions have changed nothing for us then
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Absolutely nothing!
This is outrageously unjust!
Why are we not allowed like the current PIP claimants to be reassessed with the current PIP criteria, instead of switching us to the damn 4pt based scoring system!
Then, the two-tier system is only in PIP, while we're thrown under the bus.
If this gets through, in a couple of years' time, only a couple of thousands would able to receive the health element.
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@Trevor_PIP You do seem to quite like quoting (as does @mawempathy) of all of the increases in benefits' claimants, particularly emphasising the increases since the Covid lockdown and asserting a link to fraudulent activity.
You do realise don't you [both of you], that as at c March 2023, there were c 1.9 million people suffering from Long Covid in this country - c 1.8 % of the population and 71% suffering from it over a year later. Why are you choosing to ignore that in your utterances of fraud and lockdown? I'll leave you to do your own research on that - Government has done so, as have the University of Oxford. The information/evidence is there for you to avail yourself of it. Or maybe just remain blinkered and ignorant of the facts. Your conscience, your call.
You might want to more fully inform yourself of the reasons for increases in benefits claimants instead of the usual claptrap that I expect to hear from Government, not the users of a disability support charity. Your comments, and your choice to be ignorant of facts are, I find, utterly offensive and repugnant.
I would bet my life on it you were out their, banging your pans in support of the NHS and carers. These same, dedicated, brave men and women (BTW, never thought of myself in that vein but yes, I was, and I will never regret it, in whatever life I have left, the care I gave the night I caught it, to seven who all tragically passed away) well we've all become a big part of those very statistics you're so ready to spout off about - ie the benefits claimants that you choose to ignore or castigate - many of whom will have been not only very severely affected, but find the damage never allows them to turn their health or life back round to any degree or semblance of normality.
Those, like I, whose health has been decimated by coronavirus for what will be five years in November, always thought would improve over time but the reality is far, far different. You can't be expected to have a clue that that's the reality for many people and that's fine. Be grateful you don't.
That reality which includes excruciating pain and, to spare you the graphics of it, bits and bobs of your body ending up in other areas it shouldn't be. It is beyond belief the horror of exactly what it does. You want to learn? Ask, I don't mind not sparing you the detail.
But please. Please use what facts are already widely available to be responsible and with a bit of humanity, instead of taking a simplistic view that lockdown has just caused everyone to sit on their a**es and become lazy and fraudulent.
Finally, before I'm told to 'play nicely' that needed saying so consider yourself told: sorry, but, most definitely, not sorry. It might suit Government to ignore/leave people behind, we all know of them whether it's the Post Office Subpostmaster's, the infected blood scandal or us, Long Covid sufferers including us, healthcare workers who were denied PPE, but it should be called out loud and clear. Be glad I didn’t lose my voice.
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I give up .... at least I know what's what now ....November 2026 the new pip criteria won't apply to us no matter if we're assessed before or after that date it will still be with the WCA , it's when the WCA gets scrapped in 2028 / 2029 is when it will affect us and we will have too take the new 4 point criteria .... I'll just keep taking the WCA until it gets abolished , I should get one more as I'm 3 and a half years overdue so I will be getting one before the WCA gets scrapped , if they start in April 2026 again I'm hoping I can go without one till beginning of 2027 , then pass it and get a 2 year award meaning that will take me till beginning of 2029 , then I'll just take it from there 😩 absolutely nothing has changed whatsoever , these concessions mean nothing for us , it's vile what they are doing .... Obviously the most are happy with this , all the ones that have dropped out of the rebellion are cowards
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mate, sorry to say but you don’t know what you are talking about.
Why say lockdown rather than pandemic?Why not mention the state of the NHS and other public services?
There were more than 2 million people affected with long Covid, a new disease that no one knows the long term effects of it for a start.
As a % of GDP, the UK government is spending the same amount on working-age benefits as it was in 2015. This stands at around 5% and is not projected to change by 2030. This is because we have seen deep cuts to benefits like Universal Credit alongside the increase in people claiming health and disability benefits.
Look at the facts rather than speak out based on your personal impressions or prejudices.
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I’d also encourage you to start doing some research on how much money does the UK government spends on disability benefits compared to other European countries as per %GDP.
These cuts are a cost cutting exercise to balance the books. That’s all this is.
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