Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Guardian , can someone screenshot it please 🙏
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I know it seems unfair that future claimants will be assessed under the new rules, this happened to me with ESA I applied and was eligible and that is when I had to claim UC and LCWRA, I would have been on ESA old style years ago had I been advised , but I never was , but things are working out for me now . It is awful for new claimants , but it is what it is and we shouldn't feel guilty , God knows we've suffered since March and the green paper .
So as far as I know those of us who are already claiming PIP and UC/LCWRA nothing changes and future reviews will not be reviewed under the 4 point system , we remain under this one .
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On the guardian they’re reporting rebels are hoping to start a new amendment on Monday. I can’t link it passerby as I couldn’t work out how 😂
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It comes up as a subscription and doesn’t let me read without it. How many would need to add their name passerby ?
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I'm not certain but to me it seems like the very thin promise of not being affected currently on LCWRA wouldn't count for us more than a short time anyway, since they're doing away with the WCA. So then where do we stand?
With reassessment, I've got a feeling this is them being sneaky and as soon as any reassessment comes for anyone it will be new rules and they'll say either it counts as a new claim or reassessments aren't protected. Or whatever other line they can give to get what they want.
Either way, I don't know how any MPs can call these 'massive concessions' when they are anything but that.
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Personal Independence Payment should be paid in vouchers. Never understood why claimants receive money. Vouchers will allow claimants to purchase only items that will help their disability and not spent on irrelevant items. I have been on PIP for several years and believe that the maximum length between assessments should not exceed three years unless a terminal illness is diagnosed.
By switching to vouchers there would a reduction in claimants overnight.
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Hi @MW123 - please, if you have the opportunity, would you ask questions about this section of the Green Paper under
The future of PIP, assessment processes and safeguarding
159. 'Therefore, we will launch a process to review the PIP assessment. This is a major undertaking which will take time and require extensive engagement, so any changes to the PIP assessment would only be introduced following the reforms set out in this Green Paper. To make sure we get this right, we will bring together a range of experts, stakeholders and people with lived experience to consider how best to do this and to start the process as part of preparing for a review. It will also provide an opportunity to consider how to extend the goals and approach set out as a result of this Green Paper through any future change to the PIP assessment. In particular, the ambition is to shape a system of active support that helps people manage and adapt to their long-term condition and disability in ways that expand their functioning and improve their independence.'
- Why is PIP being reformed without the proposed future PIP assessment changes, which are an integral part of this, only being discussed after they hope the bill to pass?
- Will there actually be a guarantee that disabled people & the charities that support them will be consulted about these changes?
- How exactly do they think they can expand a disabled person's function & improve their independence? [Timms has mentioned aids as if with the odd one or 2 then it wouldn't matter if a claimant loses the daily component of PIP]
- In light of the proposed 'concessions,' then will there be one assessment for those that have a current award of the daily living component [mention has been given to changing the descriptors], & another for a new claimant?
As far as UC goes, it seems that the severe conditions criteria that will be used are those found in Appendix 8 of the Work Capability Assessment handbook: for healthcare professionals which says,
'The level of function would always meet LCWRA criteria/the condition is always present'
So why in the 'Amendments to the UC Regulations 2013' which can be seen in the actual UC & PIP Bill, does it say under
40A
(4) A descriptor constantly applies to a claimant if that descriptor applies to the claimant at all times or, as the case may be, on all occasions on which the claimant undertakes or attempts to undertake the activity described by that descriptor.
whereas the regulations currently say,
A descriptor applies to a claimant if that descriptor applies to the claimant for the majority of the time or, as the case may be, on the majority of the occasions on which the claimant undertakes or attempts to undertake the activity described by that descriptor.
A descriptor simply cannot affect a claimant constantly, so why have the words been changed?
I'll also be asking these questions responding, not to the Green Paper 'consultation' directly, but by emailing in a response. Others can also do so by using this if they wish:
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It occurred to me today that whilst I don't directly use my PIP to pay for a hairdresser, I do have to have my hair cut regularly as I cannot manage it if it gets too long (It starts curling really weirdly) I don't have the energy, so this helps me out. I was also talking to the Dr today about having to pay over £100 a month for diabetic sensors because I don't get them free but they want me to monitor my bloods. I can't see either of these being offered in voucher form.
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For those wondering about reassessment, I found this on the Independent, so from the horses mouth so to speak, those with an existing claim upon reassessment will be reassessed via the current criteria and now the new proposed one, meaning we would not have to score 4 points in one category to qualify.
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I agree with @MW123 about vouchers - I'm unsure how I'd pay for my LPG, as I'm not on mains gas, & certainly need to try & keep warm in winter. Then there's private dental care as there isn't a NHS dental practice available, buying food online, & having the simple, yet surely normal, one week holiday away with my son & his wife when possible (& only once a year), usually not much more than an hour away from where we live as I can't sit comfortably for long.
Would vouchers have helped me buy a new boiler earlier this year after weeks of cold showers in winter so it became a necessity? How could the Gov't justify, let alone legislate, what vouchers could be used for? I think it would be a minefield.
I'm unsure why you think PIP should be reviewed at least every 3 years. Consider, if a claimant has a long-term illness with minimal hope of improvement (tho you can always report a 'Change of circumstances if things do improve), then wouldn't it save the DWP if there weren't so many assessments?
I think the majority of people believe that Personal Independence Payment is both to help with those extra costs, & importantly about that 'independence,' as it's name suggests.
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Hi chiaried,
My brain fogs really bad and I’m fatigued so sorry if I don’t make sense . So regarding the scc they’re saying the descriptor used to get lcwra and scc must be constant. That is no good day for that descriptor ie mobility or eating and all day . My conditions may fluctuate throughout the day but they are there every day . I don’t get remissions from my fibromyalgia or ME and other conditions. Not sure how scc would affect me as how can we prove we have the same symptoms 24/7 ? I don’t know if it has any relevance but when it was first reported about the concessions the guardian mentioned they were thinking of making it easier for those with multiple conditions, but I haven’t heard anything of it since .
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is that you Liz ? 😂
Secretary of State for Work and Pensions by the way.
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"Creating incentives" to participate?
Incentives as in DO IT or be Sanctioned?
You Cannot "INCENTIVISE" someone to NOT be Disabled.
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