Scopes reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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As I understand it Existing Claimants are to be reviewed under Current Rules, Even after Nov 2026 their Awards will Not be subject to the 4point rule on Review?
Otherwise what's the Concession.
Only New claimants are to be assessed under New rules?
(PLEASE) Only those that know for a Fact. Much appreciated
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As I understand it Existing Claimants are to be reviewed under Current Rules, Even after Nov 2026 their Awards will Not be subject to the 4point rule on Review?
Otherwise what's the Concession.
Only New claimants are to be assessed under New rules?
(PLEASE) Only those that know for a Fact. Much appreciated
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2028 Aside....As I understand it Existing Claimants are to be reviewed under Current Rules, Even after Nov 2026 their Awards will Not be subject to the 4point rule on Review?
Otherwise what's the Concession.
Only New claimants are to be assessed under New rules?
(PLEASE) Only those that know for a Fact. Much appreciated
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Changing PIP to vouchers would be a disaster. For one, It'd be an administrative nightmare that'd end up costing more. Most seriously, disability vouchers would also make disabled people vulnerable to financial abuse and coercive control by the government and others (and hence, violate human rights).
That's why claimants receive money.
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Will you ask & report back please, Existing Claimants aren't subject to the 4point rule Even After Nov 2026, is this the Concession?
"All existing claimants will be Protected from New Rules", And will "STAY IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM"... ie Only be Reviewed under Current Rules.
Hopefully MPs Have this information otherwise How could they make an Informed decision. Thanks
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Hi @secretsquirrel1 - that part about making it easier for 'people with multiple impairments' could just be the Guardian's impression/choice of words. I don't mean that in a negative way, as I'd guess many of us have more than one disorder, but I don't think we've heard those words in relation to these supposed 'concessions' from the Gov't. Don't lose any hope over this either, as we have many charities supporting us over these dubious reforms.
The Gov't are wanting to change the words about scc in their Bill, which hopefully won't get through, from a LCWRA descriptor applies 'the majority of the time,' to it applies 'constantly.' This obviously needs to be addressed, as we've discussed before.
Please don't worry, the question would be how would the DWP disprove that, even if your condition fluctuates, you don't have that condition all of the time, so you therefore 'fit' the descriptor? It's just a very poor use of words, & these have to be very clear to change legislation.
I've said that I'll question this use of the word 'constantly' when I email my response to the Gov't, & I promise I will - that's my homework for the weekend! 😊
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Thank you ,
Yes I thought maybe it was the guardians choice of words , it just seemed a bit random as I’ve never seen anything mentioned of it before so wondered where they got that idea from. It seemed to fit in with claimants who get 2s from several descriptors.
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You raise a point many of us are considering @emc123 - it reads like current claimants will not be subjected to the proposed PIP 4 point rule, but there's nothing to say this will carry on 'indefinitely.'
This 'possibly' because after the Gov't hopes this Bill is passed, changes to the PIP assessment & the descriptors used have already been proposed in their Green Paper. So, we can't know for sure how this will pan out.
As you say, with some uncertainties like this, how can a MP make an informed decision?
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Have they explained what will happen to those only on LCWRA and the like after 2028/29? No good promising protections that will be gone in a few years.
Not that any of this is good long term anyway.
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Any existing claimant can also become a new claimant. All this takes is to lose your current award and reapply for it a year later and you become a new claimant, Bang!
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I feel that will be their tactic too.
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Yes. Mainly at risk are those trying for C.O.C , (Someone on Enhanced x2 for eg isn't likely to initiate one of these Unplanned Reviews).
A Planned Review for these people especially a NO Change AR1 would be Much harder to attack. (If it Is stopped, there's Tribunal, and Not a New Claim….they're gonna be Inundated).
What we Need Confidence in is a Planned Review initiated by DWP the reassessment would be under Current Rules, as Kendall Said 'Stay in the Current System".
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I have learnt to treat government polices as a political promise and nothing more, its not a contract, the EPG as an example only survived in its original form for an extremely short time. It could be as soon as the time period you quoted as there is currently a review for the PIP descriptors a change which is coming in later after the 4 point change, and the wording from Kendall seems to specifically state the 2026 changes. There is a reliance on ignorance to get away with as much as they can.
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Exactly this. None of this can be trusted.
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@duc749 Vouchers? My Foot!
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Whilst it appears many of us would be okay if the current rules would still apply to us on renewal, we need to keep on fighting for those waiting to transfer to PIP or who may apply for it at a later date.
I don't want there to be any changes, but more than that, I don't want there to be a two tier unfair system.0 -
Guess what! I've just completed claiming the UC due to having received the migration invitation letter. It took me about an hour to complete it. It's not much different from classical paper based forms people used to fill in when apply for Income Support or Jobseeker's Allowance, etc. The only difference is that this time it's online.
I could submit it right now, but I need to speak with my housing association first, as the form asks not just for your total monthly or weekly rent, but the basic rent and the eligible service charge separately, and I only have a copy of my rent account statement of July 2024, which is not good, as my rent increased last Nov. as it does every year.
I think the ID verification takes place after the submission of the claim. I might be wrong.
I don't know why some people have claimed that they were asked to provide fit notes, when the form itself says: "Since you've told us that you're on ESA, you don't need to provide fit notes."
All that took me time was coming up with a username that hasn't been used by someone else. I finally used the French name of my former dog and voilà.
So, you've nothing to worry about this.
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