Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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So it is a money bill no scrutiny 6 hours to vote on I'm so angry that meg hillier actually did what she did do you think she had a private vendetta doesn't make sense she was being interviewed like starmer had parted the red sea and the angels was singing in the back ground all besties again who loses US mentally emotionally physically feel like thier private punchbag rotten treatment I couldn't do that to anyone I suppose we are caring thier void of all emotions
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I am trapped in a job I don't like that much because of consession my employer makes and although I am truly grateful I would like to get another job but the reason I stay is because getting a job at interview when you explain your disabilities means no one will touch you and I can see why so getting people into work is a joke sorry it won't happen, if it was simply a case of mobility a wheelchair and a ramp great but of someone is in alot of pain then just provide a wheelchair isn't enough mobility has to be considered and should be part of daily living also, I agree any vote of this getting through is wrong, pile the pressure on folks it's the only way we can win
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Hi @happyman I'd like to think that "new" means exactly that, but hesitant to say with 100% certainty until we've seen these concessions put on to paper.
I appreciate that's not the answer anyone wants right now but everything is moving so quickly at the minute with lots of conversations and decisions happening overnight almost, as we've seen this week, and the majority being shared via the media before the Government.
I'm really hopeful that we'll have some more clarity over the next week, especially early on with the vote taking place Tuesday. We'll try our absolute best to keep you informed as we're being updated but as @Albus_Scope mentioned, with the fast pace of changes we're all hearing at the same time, including us here at Scope.
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Hi Meredith, I am so sorry about your dad, I really am, no one deserves to be in that position re finances etc. Was your Dad too old to apply for PIP ? That is a bug bear of mine that there is a cut off in claiming it. I may have come across as a bit sharp I am sorry if I did, its just I don't want another argument about divisions in who deserves what to surface again, we should be standing together to make things better for all disabled no matter how old or their financial situation. I bowed out of a comment last week about means testing PIP, these comments divide folk, where we should be rallying especially now. I am not saying your comment was the same, I just want to get through a day as a pensioner without having to justify being old ( 67 - is that even old ? ) and on PIP 😊
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Forgot to add @happyman, I've popped a link to the previous Green Paper Discussion in the body of this discussion to refer back to.
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Hi @Holly_Scope - please would you also add a link to the 'Green Paper & Benefits Reform Updates' thread before it slides into obscurity. I have bookmarked it, but I think providing a link here will also help other members.
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Of course @chiarieds, good shout. It should be on there now. ☺️
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Hi everyone,
Just to say I received my pip review form this morning. It’s the AR1 form and not the 89 pages people one people are talking about. If anyone has any idea why some are given long forms I’d love to know
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The AR1 form is shorter than the PIP2 form (the initial claim form) @secretsquirrel1 - but it should be filled in with as much detail as your PIP2. There's not much space, so do add extra pages (with your name & NI number at the top of each) just saying which question you're continuing from.
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Looks like after the 3rd reading it will go to the house of lords, that's if it passes tuesdays 2nd reading vote.
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After the final vote, the bill goes to the Lords, to be carefully scrutinised again.
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I get vouchers for Christmas to spend in garden centres from my family
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Has it been accepted as a money bill now ?
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Only if the bill is NOT selected as a ‘money bill’, which the government have applied for it to be. The Speaker then decides if the bill meets the criteria, if it does there’s no debate in the Lords.
That’s my understanding anyway
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Hi chiaried,
Hope you’re well. I mentioned it because I keep hearing people saying they’re getting forms 89 pages long for their review. Is there two different review forms ? My previous form was the say no change form though it was filled in like a normal form. I’ll definitely fill this in explaining everything plus I’m going to do a diary for a couple of weeks. Also medical notes and dr letters and pray this time I get a paper based assessment. 🤞
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Thanks alex, was not 100% sure on how the whole proccess works but hopefully it doesn't get to money bill if this passes 2nd reading
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Vouchers are not the worst idea in the world, as long as they provide sufficient flexibility for the people who need them, and take away the freedom for people abusing the system to spend the extra money on whatever they want.
People always say fraud within PIP is minuscule, but the way fraud is measured is the reason why its so small. The fact is, there are entire online communities of people being tutored about how to get on disability benefits. Once people get on PIP, and stay on PIP, they are all considered legitimate claims.
The people who are tutoring others to claim without real cause should be prosecuted to the extreme. And if they can identify participants who have been taught how to game the system….. they should be prosecuted, too, and be made to payback every penny they've claimed if found guilty as non-dischargeable debt.
So vouchers may actually be the answer as those restrictions will end the lifestyle claimants who have been tutored. I don't like it, but I recognise there is a real problem and burying our heads in the sand isn't going to solve it.
If they really got tough on the communities of people who are playing disability as a game, the move to a vouchers scheme may never be needed.
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@Holly_Scope hi holly , ..... Erm I know your not a politician and probably not sure about this either but I can't find any information and no one seems have replied , I'm feeling very scared at the moment and was just wondering something
Firstly I've always been assessed for ESA , technically I've never been assessed for LCWRA , I moved over to UC voluntarily and because of my ESA support group status I automatically qualified for LCWRA , I've been getting a mix of cbesa every two weeks and lcwra at the end of the month , so I'm right in thinking that I'm classed as a existing claiment
Secondly I'm on CBESA/LCWRA but no pip
So I guess everything stays the same for me ( assuming I pass the WCA that I'm overdue by nearly 4 years )
My question is what happens when the work capability assessments get scrapped and we all need to take a pip assessment to qualify for the UC health element ( lcwra ) .... Will all the many people in my situation be assessed through the old pip criteria as were existing claiment of ESA / lcwra .... Or will it be the new pip 4 point criteria as technically we are new pip claiments .... I have serve OCD and nothing goes in when I try to research things
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