So much for "Andy Burnham is pro Benefits"

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  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,219 Championing
    edited July 8

    Thats not true Reforms whole "thing" is "stop the Boats" and they are not the only political party who have said they will do that.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,152 Connected
    edited July 9

    Meh, it was Reform who started the Boat crossings full of illegal immigrants in the first place, post Brexit, which ol' Farage campaigned for.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,219 Championing

    You stated that its Reforms whole thing to stop the boats. Are you saying that is their only policy?

    As I stated above Reform aren't the only political party who want to stop the boats but you focus only on Reform saying thats their intention.

  • SwiftFox
    SwiftFox Community Member Posts: 1,415 Championing
    edited July 9

    Some of it's good news though, he's investing money in British defence firms instead of American and European one's.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,412 Trailblazing
    edited July 9

    "Defence" as they insist calling it, it certainly won't protect us from a heating planet.

  • egiste2r
    egiste2r Posts: 163 Connected

    To invest in the defense industry, you need highly qualified scientists, engineers, and workers. Britain simply doesn't have them, but it does have plenty of environmentalists, bloggers, YouTubers, and the like.

    But the money will certainly be spent, rest assured!

  • Rag_793
    Rag_793 Community Member Posts: 88 Contributor

    if the Labour Government decides to attack those on benefits again, especially those who desperately need them to survive, then there will be consequences. I know personally it would send me on a downward spiral to a place I would never be able to recover from. At that point I know my DNAR & DNACPR would come into that affect. I just don’t get this country, let alone anything else, I don’t have the greatest of confidence or trust in anyone anymore

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,152 Connected

    Because it was them who started the Boats post Brexit in the first place.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,219 Championing

    That doesn't prove that stopping the boats is their "whole thing".

    Its one of their policies, which some of the other political parties also intend to do.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,085 Championing
    edited July 14

    The only party who hasnt been scared to be pro benefits is the Green party, but of course if they ever got close to be elected I wouldnt be surprised to see them turn as well. In short I trust no one, Burnham will still have advisors who have advised other leaders, its still the same people running the DWP, and still the same media, MPs etc.

    Its also not really pro or anti benefits either. Its really health related benefits specifically. Labour managed to increase the basic rate of UC without the country throwing a fit, they were prepared to uncap child benefits, and still no one dares talk about the triple lock. But health related benefits has become a big target for so many people, its definitely not helped that there is a bunch of people on social media offering advocation as well as effectively showing off their benefit award, this has driven resentment which is still rising. Videos like "how I spend my UC"

    A subject which I expect is going to be very sensitive is the question of which is preferable. Current eligibility but hard to apply (many people declined as they dont understand form/descriptors etc. some see this as unfair), or a simpler application process but in turn tighter eligibility to keep the claims down. I think the former is preferable. But all these social media advocates have helped increase success rates, which has drawn attention to the case load. I think even under Burnham we going to see it made easier to get PIP with a strong diagnosis, but people with weak, wrong or no diagnosis will routinely get declined. I expect they will move away from needing to describe needs and such to just awarding based on health condition like they did with DLA. I felt DLA was unfair for this reason.

  • egiste2r
    egiste2r Posts: 163 Connected

    Have you ever thought that those who ordered such videos "how I spend my UC" were some politicians with the aim of manipulating public opinion?

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,152 Connected
    edited July 15

    Meh, it's just right wing [removed by moderator] peddling the false narrative that EVERYONE on benefits is on the fiddle.

  • Bluebell21
    Bluebell21 Community Member Posts: 4,870 Championing

    The Triple Lock is not some magic money tree that gives pensioners a vast fortune.

    From April 2026 the new state pension per week is £241.30 this was an increase of £11.05 per week.

    Basic state pension is per week £184.92 this was an increase of £8.47 per week.

    To get the new state pension you need 35 qualifying years of NI.

    To get the basic state pension you need 30 qualifying years of NI.

    You need at least 10 years of qualifying years of NI to get any state pension.

    In 2027 the new state pension will go over the tax band of £12570 so any pensioner who has even a small private pension will pay tax on the state pension.

    I have seen on the forum several times where other members think the Triple Lock is too generous the above figures show the true story,

    We should all be supporting each other where benefits are concerned and be pushing for fair benefits for all not knocking one group .

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,152 Connected

    I agree 100% but it'll never happen, there's too many people claiming benefits who are perfectly capable of getting a job, which gives those of us who are genuinely on benefits a bad name.

  • rubin16
    rubin16 Scope Member Posts: 1,593 Championing

    At the same time people are stuck in the system as there are simply no jobs for people.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,152 Connected

    And that's what the right don't get, they're moaning about us living at the "expense" of their taxes, while they're posting on FB etc from work.

    Can these people even spell hypocrisy?

  • Rachel_Scope
    Rachel_Scope Posts: 4,221 Online Community Team

    Let's bear in mind that we may have different opinions when it comes to politics. I know it's an emotional topic but let's try not to target a whole group and assume that they all have the same views.

  • Rag_793
    Rag_793 Community Member Posts: 88 Contributor

    I just know that if they start attacking us that require benefits to get through each day let alone month, there will be a few thousand extra stones in the graveyard….

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,085 Championing

    Anything is possible, there is so much political content.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,085 Championing

    I am known to mention it, but I dont really have an opinion on whether its a fortune or the opposite, my points tend to focus on that its inconsistent to the rest of the benefit system, and the public dont really care about it the way they do about health benefits.