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What question would you ask your MP to make your Disabilty stress free

GeoffBosworth195661 Member Posts: 161 Pioneering
Being disabled is a very easy picking with so much injustice with 32% increase in a three month period that as wasted 1.2million with record compensations that again is apart of the 1.2 million coming out of tax payers money. PPI keeps coming up and this is the biggest percentage of stress that should never be put on any disabled person. 


  • mossycow
    mossycow Member Posts: 485 Pioneering
    In answer to title question... Make all the millions of forms disabled people need to fill in online/electronic. 
  • GeoffBosworth195661
    GeoffBosworth195661 Member Posts: 161 Pioneering
    The feed back is what I was expecting and food for thought to every one assessment by no medical experience is not right. If anyone was in hospital and seen by a Dr and gave a wrong diagnoses which made you worse and caused problems, then you can claim. Does this mean miss diagnoses you can claim and the answer to that is I did and won two times.  
  • wildlife
    wildlife Member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    Hi Geoff, Unfortunately the complaints procedure is different for none government departments which the assessor providers are. This is what is causing the problem. They are classed as private companies and have their own complaints system in place. You have to first convince them you have a complaint then wait ages for a reply before you can move on to an independent complaints examiner (ICE). By that time your benefit has been rejected or is lower than it should be. ATOS are snowed under with people not happy with the way they were treated, DWP are sticking with a broken system going by what the assessors tell them is true when it isn't. They will continue to do this until MP's do something to give assessments back to DWP and even then they need to make sure assessors are suitably qualified and trained to do the job in a fair and proper manner. Otherwise nothing will change. MP's all over the country are probably being inundated with constituents asking for help I know my MP is so hopefully things will change soon. That won't help those of us suffering now except for future claims which means starting all over again. An ordeal most us haven't got the strength to even think about. So if you're going to contact anyone in government tell them enough is enough. We're not living in the dark ages people have rights and ours are being violated. If the PIP assessment form was studied from a claimants point of view there wouldn't be an "Informal Observations" section on it which is being used to record personal remarks about people saying how they looked and how they behaved. Nor would there be a Physical Examination with results from someone who doesn't know what they are looking for. The form would then concentrate completely on how the claimant manages on a daily basis and what they need help with. There should be no suggested scores for activities. That should be done by the Decision Makers at DWP based on all the evidence provided, the claim form and the assessor's report provided it was done properly. All illness and disability backed up by Medical Evidence should be believed in the beginning to allow more focus on the problems disabled people have day to day and the help they need.   
  • GeoffBosworth195661
    GeoffBosworth195661 Member Posts: 161 Pioneering
    edited March 2017
    Hi Wildlife, I'm at the moment halfway into investigating into this topic of which Richard Wren who is a director and award winning documentaries, He as four on the go around the country which he is covering the system and what the truth is behind this. The first showing will be in the autumn which MPs and Richards barristers have been looking into the system which will be case after case to make claims against them. Richard as a fleet of media groups which are keeping him updated. so hopefully justice will prevail this barbaric system of lives that have been lost unnecessary which this area is very serious. My heart goes out to the lost love ones and showed no dignity or apologising from the people that caused this. I should finish my filming when I am out of hospital but they have been filming the NHS as well while here which they found some interesting information. Thanks for the chat Wildlife, write again soon and any one else to chat of any news That Richard Wren would be interested in with how disabled are being treated. 
  • wildlife
    wildlife Member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    Thanks Geoff, I've emailed my MP today who has intervened in the past with a DWP problem so fingers crossed he'll help again. I will look out for the documentaries it's time this was sorted out. I'm busy trying to get my assessor brought to justice for what she did to me and all the other people she assessed during a very short period of working for ATOS. My surgery have evidence waiting for me of a day in February when I called an ambulance after having 5 Opthalmic migraines (loss of vision) in a week and thought it was a stroke. That was caused by shock after receiving the report full of lies. Anyhow am now waiting for a call back from a Decision Maker I've got some interesting questions to ask. Will post an update after that.       
  • bendigedig
    bendigedig Member Posts: 254 Pioneering
    I no longer have any confidence in the Parliamentary process.  I certainly have no confidence in government.  I dont think Ive had any confidence in the UK government since I learned why nobody liked Margaret Thatcher.  

    I would sooner write to Mystic Meg than write to my MP.  I would probably get more sense from Mystic Meg.

    I honestly cant think of a bigger waste of time than writing to an MP?  Sombody suggested the other day that I was wasting my time writing on here!  And that was a member of the SCOPE online community? Clearly he knows somthing that I dont..... I hope not :)

    Most MPs are on the fiddle. They most often consistently fail to represent the needs of their constituents and they have a dammed cheek expecting perks and pay rises for acting like a bunch of kids in Parliament.  What a load of old rubbish we pay them for?  Self serving slimey nest featherers that only start skulking about around ellection time.  Okay some are decent people but I couldn't name many, could you?

    We all know that we need better human rights in the UK.  ITS NOT SIMPLY A DISABILITY ISSUE.  We also need to ensure the rest of the NHS isnt privatised and we need to reverse the privitisation and dissmantling that has already taken ,and is, taking place.

    We need free health and dental care, free education from nursery to university and we need to culture a society that celebrates the strengths of the individual, a society that provides oportunities for all.... A true meritocracy that isnt based on how far your wealth power and influence can carry you. We need to care for our weak and our vulnerable.  We need to guide our impresionable and above all we need to combat ignorance, division and hate.  Unity and common purpose, working towards a better nation for all is what the UK needs.

    Yes the world is becoming an increasingly dark, sinister and depressing place.  Britain is comparatively well off to most countries in many respects.  Including human rights amazingly!  Arguing that we are better off than most though is not the right attitude.  Our rights as human beings are being eroded on a daily basis.  Briatain is in dire need of constitutional and electoral reform.

    Its about time the people woke up and did somthing about this before it is too late.  Perhaps it already is too late.

    if there are any MPs worth writing to then I would beg those few to start a movement for change.  Something the people of the UKcan get behind, to make our country a safer, fairer place to be.

    Im not writing a party political broadcast here!  Im just saying what I want frpm our MPs..  

    Perhaps Id be better off writing to Mystic Meg.
  • Justice
    Justice Member Posts: 198 Pioneering
    I agree with much of the above. when my Husband had his first assessment for ESA he scored zero points. He has Parkinson's Disease, and has been profoundly deaf since Birth. Despite his deafness he has worked very hard from age 15 to 60 which is when the PD kicked in. The assessment was the most demeaning thing we have ever had to endure. The attitude is appalling. It is said that the assessors do not make the decision. In rality they do, this is just buck passing, all the so called " Decision Maker" at the DPW has to do is to be able to add up as far as 15. 

    The report of my Husband's assessment was  a travesty, a complete fabrication. we appealed of course and before it got to a tribunal he was put into the support group. The stress, the anger, and yes the degradation is inhumane, it is not too strong to describe it thus. I often wonder how the GP, the specialist Nurse, and even the Consultants feel when their word is also being doubted. How do they feel when a much less qualified( if qualified at all) person overrides what they say.
    Common sense has flown out of the door. resources are wasted. Next Monday my Husband has to attend another ELA assesment. He is 65 on July fifth so will have fourteen weeks and two days of working life left when he goe to be assessed. He is over four years down the line with a disease which is degenerative, and progressive, you see my point?

    also the form which the assessor wil have seen was actually filled in and sent back ten months ago, due to the ineptitude of the department he has only just received his appointment. The form is no longer valid. I am going to make damn sure that they listen to what has changed since it was filled in. I can tell you now that will be a substantial difference.

    Get rid of the predjudice against Disabled people, get rid of the persecution, don't farm out to money making businesses who care about nothing except how much profit they can make. The whole system is a fiasco, and I do not hesitate to say probably corrupt.
  • Dasiydo
    Dasiydo Member Posts: 93 Courageous
    Why can't do voluntary job on the farm? Why can't have any funds for my Staffordshire's Crouse?
    Why old student do animals care Crouse?
  • wildlife
    wildlife Member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    Hi Justice, I agree with you. Can you not try and prevent your husband from having to go through a F2F assessment so near to his retirement? It's ridiculous. Maybe a phone call to DWP with new evidence of his condition, we are supposed to tell them when there's a change, and a good valid reason why he could not cope with the assessment? Is this a review if he's already in the support group? I have an adopted son who will be up for review soon. He has learning difficulties and mental health issues and very sensitive evidence of outbirsts of violence but no proper diagnosis as he won't engage with the Doctor or MH professionals. We think he has Asberger's. He's on PIP and we were lucky to get it without a F2F but am dreading any reviews. My poor hubby who is 69 now has to look after both of us. My son lives 10 mins away and I don't see him very often. The system does not cater for people who won't accept they have a problem. 
           As regards MP's ours is Tory but very good at helping us with any injustices. I can't fault him. I've just got the DWP to bend the rules in looking at my PIP claim again after the Mandatory Reconideration by convincing them the assessor lied and they haven't used the Medical Evidence as you say they just copy the info. of the assessor's report word for word. Well they haven't got away with it. 
    Hope things turn out well for you in the end....
  • Justice
    Justice Member Posts: 198 Pioneering
    Hi Wildlife, and all. Thanks for your kind comments . So the dreaded ESA assessment is done for what it is worth. The Guy who did it was a Physio, probably in his late twenties at a guess. he was ok, not patronising or rude, but let's see if he puts things which are true when he fills out his report! I took heed from your experience Wildlife, made sure I asked his name( No badge!!). I then asked for his registration number. He looked totally shocked at this, and said he didn't know, but would find it out before we left. I had to remind him of this but he did get it for us.
    he is registered but only since July last year. I thought they had to have been registered fro two years, but need to check the facts on that. I also found an article on here after we came home from a " Whistle Blower" who had worked for Atos. One of the things she said was that if someone has a neurological disease,Parkinson's was mentioned, then they have to be assessed by a Doctor.
    I need to check that out too though before saying anything.

    We were cross because at the end he said did we bring any further medical papers, GP reports and the like. I told him they were sent in by our MP about three weeks ago, and that the MP also rang and spoke to the main assessment office. They never bothered to send them to the assessor. So IF Hubby is deemed fit for work we have a few things to complain about.

    I was also cross because we were on the bus on the way there when I received a chasing up call from the assessment  centre to say is he going to attend his appointment!!  I gave themn short shrift on chasing us up.

    Anyway off to bed now, thanks all again for support and company , this is a GREAT Forum xx

  • Nystagmite
    Nystagmite Member Posts: 596 Pioneering
    It's difficult to pick just one. But I would love to know why they don't contact peoples consultants and GPs for PIP? It would save so much money. The nurse actually sat there and called my GP a  liar because I couldn't produce a 9 year old piece of paper. She made a lot of assumptions that can't be true.
  • iza
    iza Member, Community Co-Production Group Posts: 577 Pioneering
    Hi All, 
    You know I never so far used the MP services at all. I just hardly believe that the MP has power these day to force positive changes. 
    However, I always notice that MP's provide their services to people in community centres and libraries. 

    I got fantastic idea (what about those who cannot come?) of creating new role job models of MP - mobile MP who would come visit people to their own homes. 
    How assume it that ?

    Let me know what do you think about new post Mobile MP 

    Have a great weekend. 

  • basiclee08
    basiclee08 Member Posts: 66 Courageous
    can you raise our benefits at same rate of your mps pay rise please ;)B)
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  • wildlife
    wildlife Member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    Hi @Justice, So glad you've got the assessment over with. I rang HCPC to discuss my assessor's registration and was told when she 1st registered which was before the date you see if you do a search on the register. I think they have to re register every 3 years. However according to the job specifications laid down by DWP to ATOS for assessors they are also supposed to have been working for at least 2 years after registration before becoming an assessor. So something else to bare in mind although it may be difficult to check and not relevant if you should have had a Dr. for the assessment.
                    A DWP advisor told me the assessors have all the available evidence before the assessment but I don't believe mine did as test/xray results contradicted her lies to such a degree I think she's have been more careful. A lot has been happening to me but the story is on other discussions so won't repeat it here.
                    Could you see the screen? For PIP assessments you're supposed to be able to read what is being written and correct if necessary. I assume this is the same for ESA assessments.
                    Back to the subject of this discussion. I would ask my MP if anything is being done to get rid of private companies doing assessments and why are these companies getting away with so many lies, but as he's gone quiet and not answered my last email I may not get an answer.. 
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  • GeoffBosworth195661
    GeoffBosworth195661 Member Posts: 161 Pioneering
    edited August 2017
    @DannyMoore at times it makes me wonder with the amount of disability destruction I just cant understand why disabled are been punished through being unable to work. I find it hard to notice disabled are just easy targets to get survival money to persecute the disabled. We are living amongst no compassion. no understanding no justice.   


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