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who can help after lies on pip claim

maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
for the last two days much of my time has been on phone to various organisations trying to find out who could help over lies on acesser report ?? okay so forget legal aid  you wont get it   ?county court yes as long as you have full details of person doing assessment ??as its them causing you loss of benefits so they get cash??bonus plus fee??/ you can forget most charity's im afraid  so it seems  this mess they call looking after disabled peaple will carry on till this gov removed   but is it not strange dwp pay someone up to 800 a day to save them max500a month   perhaps  its the sunms being done that is causeing all this harm  WHAT DO YOU THINK

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  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    Alas there is little help available
    Lies can  be argued with facts. the hard part is challenging the hcp's opinions and assumptions

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Alas there is little help available
    Lies can  be argued with facts. the hard part is challenging the hcp's opinions and assumptions

    CR
    afraid so i have the proof but getting either dwp or capita to note is a head wrench ?? even tho its in print ?? one comment was its to late now you should have complained then ahh but i did i said ummm no record they said so i just said shall i send you the paper work ummm no its to late

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    maid08 said:
    Alas there is little help available
    Lies can  be argued with facts. the hard part is challenging the hcp's opinions and assumptions

    CR
    afraid so i have the proof but getting either dwp or capita to note is a head wrench ?? even tho its in print ?? one comment was its to late now you should have complained then ahh but i did i said ummm no record they said so i just said shall i send you the paper work ummm no its to late

    daft i know but her coment on mobility there are four steps from road to path and 3steps to front door my comment was house is 100years old its not ill i am ??obstructive???
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    I understand your angst but forget the assesment
    you now have to show that you meet the criteria for an award
    Many claimants try to discredit the assessor rather than proving their claim
    a complaint about the assessor is a separate matter to proving your claim
    focus on what is important, your claim
    go to the tribunal and show them that you meet the criteria
    The more people that go to tribunal and win will make the gov take notice that the system is flawe

    CRd
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    I understand your angst but forget the assesment
    you now have to show that you meet the criteria for an award
    Many claimants try to discredit the assessor rather than proving their claim
    a complaint about the assessor is a separate matter to proving your claim
    focus on what is important, your claim
    go to the tribunal and show them that you meet the criteria
    The more people that go to tribunal and win will make the gov take notice that the system is flawe

    CRd
    that's all in hand on points i feel i should have and why and on effects i have for each part of assessment ?? its not tribunal its a new acesmant or review   i have been to two tribunals on another matter still benifit based  and won both  that part is no concern to me  my concern is liers  always has been  i do not lie nor do i like being lied to or about ??mental prob  i suppose  and prob because over 25 yars of dealing with my mothers illness im now here with just myself to deal with mine  but its not changed its still a fight for disabled rights
     
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    no one like lies
    unfortunately it seems that DWP don't take into account tribunal results on re assessment

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    and lets remmber all those disability groups that state they help that dont or wont  today confirmed that AND IM NOT INCLUDEING SCOPE IN THAT AS MY BEST ADVICE WITH MUM CAME FROM HERE

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    no one like lies
    unfortunately it seems that DWP don't take into account tribunal results on re assessment

    CR
    dwp or gov rather take no notice till they have no choice  

  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    There are so many people that need help  and so little resources available
    It is not fair or right
    but we who are able to fight for justice have to do what others cannot
    in many cases we are the best people to fight our battles, with research and knowledge we can win what we are entitled to without taking up the resources that others might need

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    There are so many people that need help  and so little resources available
    It is not fair or right
    but we who are able to fight for justice have to do what others cannot
    in many cases we are the best people to fight our battles, with research and knowledge we can win what we are entitled to without taking up the resources that others might need

    CR
    yep so so true hence today i spent 200 q
    uid i cant afford but hopeing will help others if i am correct  


  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Sorry what was the £200 for?
    We must srand together as was said.
    Your also right about charitys who wont help people.
    We need a lisr of them so we know who NOT tk guve our money to.
    There must be 1 MP who as a decent streak in them. Can anyine NAME that MP. 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    a county court claim against acesser who lied to insure i lost benifits  so she gained by finacial means while i lost 5000 cost  claim 200 she wil get paperwork shortly she can
    t get out of it i have my claim plus her report and its clear lies

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Misscleo said:
    Sorry what was the £200 for?
    We must srand together as was said.
    Your also right about charitys who wont help people.
    We need a lisr of them so we know who NOT tk guve our money to.
    There must be 1 MP who as a decent streak in them. Can anyine NAME that MP. 
    i isued court papers against the acesser as her lies to gain cash cost me cash or inother words her intent was to benifit while i lost benifits ?when i get  the benifit she cost me i may then take one against capita its a gamble but  sol said its clear from my paperwork she lied indeed made up fantasys to feather her pocket  so its 5000 im going for

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    Sadly you can't possibly show that an assessor financially gained from your assessment as they don't make the decision and there's no bonus attached to DWP decision making which is then given to HCPs. Nor can you easily show a financial loss because of it unless you can show it was definitely the decisive factor, bearing in mind that a DWP decision maker will have your claim pack; the HCP report and quite possibly a whole range of other evidence. Last client I spoke to who made an identical allegation was wholly undone when I saw their claim pack. No sane DM would have made an award based on the contents of that claim pack. The one before that was undone by their own GP. 

    It does not follow that a bad experience with a HCP and an inaccurate report are automatically the sole or even contributing factor to a DWP decision. 

    The HCP can only make a recommendation. Showing that an assessor lied is near impossible. It's an emotive term but has a precise legal meaning. You may be able to show factual inaccuracies but lies? I very much doubt it. 

    You have been poorly advised to pursue this line. I think that's generally the case with this sort of case. It's largely throwing good money down the drain. A complaint about the HCP should be pursued with the assessment provider and, if done properly, can result in extra points being recommended. A complaint to their professional body may also be appropriate. Beyond that I'd look at the Disability News Service and other supportive media. 

    The one thing I would not do is try and pursue the legal case you describe. However much the desire to prove that assessors are liars etc. your chances of success are negligible and based on a misunderstanding of what the law can offer in such circumstances. 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    thanks for youer coment i have read it with intrest  the only comment im making is i hold the paperwork to prove she lied  as dwp and capita are well aware of ?you may be correct re dm makes the decision but that again is contradictory to paperwork i hold ?so i shall let it proceed as is  ohhh the acesser gets a bonus for fails   and im pretty sure that her earnings per day will be  worth a few lies ??plus a dishonest acesser is just that ??not reg at time of acessmant anyway back to my points  as thats what im on at mo and you fail to understand  fact is not fiction   and facts are what maters  im not daft nor am i  beting on a loser   and were on earthh complain to capita or atos comes from are you really aware of their attitude and replys to complaints as is dwp??again i have the paperwork and i am not intrested in acesser      lieing only this one for my case    my claim pack was backed by stroke consultands heart spealist arttery  consultant  mri results  long term copd  so my pack would not be fiction as the one you mention must have been 


     

  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    Are you completely certain without doubt that this assessor gained money by lying on your pip assessment?
    assessors are not paid on how many fail or pass.They don’t even make the decision 
    They probably get paid  by how many assessments they do per day. It won’t be as much as you think either.
      I can understand you being hurt with what untruths she has apparently made. However you cannot prove that this was in her own interest to do so.
    I also think you have been ill advised and please be warned as she too could put in a legal case against you.
      This could backfire and cost thousands

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    after this coment im not going to bother ?when a docter consultant tell you you are il and see the affect on you and youer life along comes a person who does not know you and makes an opinion on youer ability to act normal and live normal by asking you to pic up sheet paper move youer leg  stand up  while ignoring what you say writes her own  thoughts down ? an opinion gained in 20 mins  and in that 20mins ruins youer life and health by lieing  ?? they include facts   on paper that are completly oppersit on youer claim   state you can do this and that without even testing you  they then right a report give it to dwp whos decision maker reads it ignoring evidence you supplyed and listens to aceser who is medicaly qualified to decide you are fine ?? and we take it  as all evidence is taken  rubbish  my claim was in 2014 for going into suport grpoup  hence acessmant  then lo and behold its pip   when paperwork is looked at  lies are fact not fiction  and its time more honesty was given   capita and dwp say nope  they wont deal with it dispite proof acesser not reg   then fight and fight i will  ?? ANYWAY  ALTHOUGH THIS SITE HELPED WITH MY MOTHER IT SEEMS NOW ADVICE IS not fight as only person wrong is the person posting   so best luck those who were lied to and about who have no benifit  if you want to  learn how i got on facebook  chris maidment holding a white pigeon  my new review is on 5 3 18 will be fun do not give up fact wins over fiction 

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    With all due respect you can have a whole raft of medical evidence confirming your impairments but unless the diagnosis is in dispute then it’s irrelevant. You score points for the consequences of your impairments fitting the points scoring regime. No GP could comment on your ability to prepare food; bathe; reread; budget or even mobilise unless they had seen you do so. Medical professionals are often happy to repeat back what you tell them if they believe it to be credible but that isn’t “medical” evidence in any sense and it won’t be treated as such. 

    The DM is the only person who makes the decision and always has been since 1948 bar the odd name change You will have no paperwork which says otherwise. Unfortunately you have misunderstood what you do have. 

    I’ve little doubt that HCPs record functional assessments which never happened and facts which are inaccurate. I’ve plenty of credible clients and know enough of the national figure to know that’s true. It is not however the same as showing them to be a liar.

    As regards complaining to the assessment provider is concerned it is nowadays essential because tribunals often (erroneously) assert that the lack of a complaint suggests you were happy with the assessment. Additionally there is an increasing pattern of complaints being the shortest way to get a different points recommendation. 

    The claim pack I referred to was far from fiction. It was simply poorly completed and an award could not have been made on the back of it. Claim,ants assume that if they’ve done their own claim pack the contents cannot be disputed but the contents are often superficial; incomplete; full of assertion rather than evidence and misunderstanding what’s being asked and why. 

    You are absolutely welcome to either ignore my advice and carry on as you are or you could get a second opinion from a welfare right adviser (which is what I am). I am confident that my advice re: your proposed course of action would be repeated by other advisers given the same information. Afraid I can’t check out the outcome on Facebook as it’s a site I refuse to use and is probably the single worst advice resource currently available. 

    I would not go as far as to suggest a HCP could counter sue. I think that’s extremely unlikely. However, in pursuing such an action you are not going to achieve the one thing you want, which is an entitlement to PIP. 
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    interesting post from maid08  but in an answer to him it states dm decides  no dm is given a report by acesser that report decides the result of a claim after all the dm has no idea about any type of illness nor do they view people so common sense tells you they use a report to make a decision 

  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry to disagree.
    The assessor gave me six points.
    The DM changed that to four.

    But apparently that's rare so lucky me.

    As an aside. I probably wouldn't be bringing up threads where the OP is banned. Especially with loads more to choose from.
    (she says replying and contradicting herself)

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  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Victoriad said:
    What do you MEAN?..... you’ve NOT been banned yet @whistles

    I DEMAND an apology from you at once....this is totally unacceptable!

    Diplomatic Immunity.
    Not human see.  B)
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  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    whistles said:
    Sorry to disagree.
    The assessor gave me six points.
    The DM changed that to four.

    But apparently that's rare so lucky me.

    As an aside. I probably wouldn't be bringing up threads where the OP is banned. Especially with loads more to choose from.
    (she says replying and contradicting herself)

    as an inside, if he is banned why are his posts here and was he banned due to not agreeing with the click on here which is obvious to us out here
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    What is it with people on here at the moment.
    Can't people have a different viewpoint?
    Or worse voice it?

    I'm sure admin would knock any clique on its head.
    I get on with a few members, so what? 



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  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    whistles said:
    What is it with people on here at the moment.
    Can't people have a different viewpoint?
    Or worse voice it?

    I'm sure admin would knock any clique on its head.
    I get on with a few members, so what? 



    voice what u like just keep clever comments to yourself ?see it is simple
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    What clever comments?
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    edited May 2018
    whistles said:
    What clever comments?
    you made comment about maid08 bann
    ed??so what his post is there so i answered it  

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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    To get back on topic. No @redhead53 the DM does decide and are obliged to look at all the evidence. The job is made harder for them by the inability of the DWP to explain to claimants that focusing on medical evidence does not get you PIP. However there’s plenty of examples of DMs not following the recommendations in a HCP report and we already know that 16% of them go further against HCP`s at the mandatory reconsideration stage. 

    To clarify further I believe this forum can be read (if not posted on) when signed out/banned so in theory it’s entirely reasonable to respond to the original poster. They were banned as I recall for abusive responses and starting a separate thread making an accusation that would leave membership unsustainable. Chances are that if the OP was still a member you’d have been greeted with similar language. The reason their posts are still here is that there’s no reason for them not to be. They are not offensive. The ones which were have been removed. It doesn’t mean all of them have to be.


  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    Victoriad said:
    ....I love the clever comments....keep them coming please.

    Whats not to love?....

    you trying to be clever or are you just part of the click
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    To get back on topic. No @redhead53 the DM does decide and are obliged to look at all the evidence. The job is made harder for them by the inability of the DWP to explain to claimants that focusing on medical evidence does not get you PIP. However there’s plenty of examples of DMs not following the recommendations in a HCP report and we already know that 16% of them go further against HCP`s at the mandatory reconsideration stage. 

    To clarify further I believe this forum can be read (if not posted on) when signed out/banned so in theory it’s entirely reasonable to respond to the original poster. They were banned as I recall for abusive responses and starting a separate thread making an accusation that would leave membership unsustainable. Chances are that if the OP was still a member you’d have been greeted with similar language. The reason their posts are still here is that there’s no reason for them not to be. They are not offensive. The ones which were have been removed. It doesn’t mean all of them have to be.


    the dm goes on the report written by acceser so in fact, they do go on the report ?as to the rest of your comment i shall ignore it after reading so many posts from you to others 
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  • Sam_AlumniSam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,731 Disability Gamechanger
    redhead53 said:
    whistles said:
    Sorry to disagree.
    The assessor gave me six points.
    The DM changed that to four.

    But apparently that's rare so lucky me.

    As an aside. I probably wouldn't be bringing up threads where the OP is banned. Especially with loads more to choose from.
    (she says replying and contradicting herself)

    as an inside, if he is banned why are his posts here and was he banned due to not agreeing with the click on here which is obvious to us out here
    Not all banned users will have their content removed, and we wouldn't discuss the reasons why members are banned in public but all banning is decided by the community team in an unbiased way and is based on breaking of community guidelines.
    Scope
    Senior online community officer
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    edited May 2018
    To get back on topic. No @redhead53 the DM does decide and are obliged to look at all the evidence. The job is made harder for them by the inability of the DWP to explain to claimants that focusing on medical evidence does not get you PIP. However there’s plenty of examples of DMs not following the recommendations in a HCP report and we already know that 16% of them go further against HCP`s at the mandatory reconsideration stage. 

    To clarify further I believe this forum can be read (if not posted on) when signed out/banned so in theory it’s entirely reasonable to respond to the original poster. They were banned as I recall for abusive responses and starting a separate thread making an accusation that would leave membership unsustainable. Chances are that if the OP was still a member you’d have been greeted with similar language. The reason their posts are still here is that there’s no reason for them not to be. They are not offensive. The ones which were have been removed. It doesn’t mean all of them have to be.


    a complaint to the director general of DWP gave me a new acessmant on the decision iITisword for word the assessors comments and views regardless of medical evidence ??no mention of it full stop so i conclude acessers report is the most important part nothing else
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    @redhead53 it currently reads as those you’re looking for a fight with most everyone on this thread for a variety of reasons. Your experience is your experience. One anecdote does not make a fact. 

    I believe it’s possible to ignore posters on here. Please feel free to do so. 
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    Must be a full moon 
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  • susan48susan48 Member Posts: 2,229 Disability Gamechanger
    Why are some people so angry?

    We are here to try and help, support people not cause arguments or making people feel worse than they are.

    Please be nice to each other or stay off the site
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    edited May 2018
    it seems others are right this site is for a few to boostmikehughescq said:
    @redhead53 it currently reads as those you’re looking for a fight with most everyone on this thread for a variety of reasons. Your experience is your experience. One anecdote does not make a fact. 

    I believe it’s possible to ignore posters on here. Please feel free to do so. 

     their ego.s while pointing out how others are wrong plus the click is clear ?so this site just a load of rubbish and you mate are a complete [removed by moderator] not once have you agreed with anything anyone says you just tell them no they are wrong  [removed by moderator]
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    So sad
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    Going to guess this is a friend of the OP or just the OP in another guise @debbiedo49. Do you want to explain what my job is? :) Reported the post for language either way. Happy to apologise for being unaware that it was compulsory on web forums to agree with what others say even when they’re factually incorrect. I’m personally a fan of disagreeing politely. 
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    Lol
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  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    edited May 2018
    Going to guess this is a friend of the OP or just the OP in another guise @debbiedo49. Do you want to explain what my job is? :) Reported the post for language either way. Happy to apologise for being unaware that it was compulsory on web forums to agree with what others say even when they’re factually incorrect. I’m personally a fan of disagreeing politely. 
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  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    This thread is turning offensive and will likely get closed.
    When I queried someone replying to it, my concern was that it would do just that.

    @mikehughescq has let everyone know that bringing up an old post is fine. Oddly the anger has now been directed at him for pointing that out!

    The other day I was accused of being a dwp spy.
    Today part of a clique.
    I am running out of hats to wear for all these new roles.


    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • susan48susan48 Member Posts: 2,229 Disability Gamechanger
    Stop it please. This thread needs closed 
  • susan48susan48 Member Posts: 2,229 Disability Gamechanger
    @redhead53
    is there a problem? Really if you feel there I’d just be direct and say


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    redhead53 said:
    Going to guess this is a friend of the OP or just the OP in another guise @debbiedo49. Do you want to explain what my job is? :) Reported the post for language either way. Happy to apologise for being unaware that it was compulsory on web forums to agree with what others say even when they’re factually incorrect. I’m personally a fan of disagreeing politely. 
    shows how thick you are op op who is op no i just think you are a big mouth with bad manners and think you are an expert ??tell him who i am haha yea tell us all you are one thing one min then not in another  as to agreeing politely  so far all i see is an ignorant old man so god knows what help you give  ohhh you do not unless your a resident i cant find you in your area of so-called expertiseand yet again someone does not agree with you you cry report report big mummys boy
    My area of expertise is that I’ve worked in advice work for 32 years and specifically in welfare rights advice. I’m on here in a personal capacity in my own time. Any information I post is confined to the factual. Any advice I post is confined to the general. Anything I post based on professional experience is anecdotal but only posted when I’m confident I’ve an evidence base for that.

    The only area where some of my professional colleagues might disagree with me are my views on medical evidence. Where I am expressing a personal view I am careful to say “My personal view is…”.

    I’m sorry you feel the need to abusive of that and me but I’m now equally confident you are actually the original poster (OP) or an acquaintance of. Your account was created a few days ago and all your posts on a small number of threads have been specifically aimed at those posters who took offence at the original poster. I’m sure admin. will be along to address these matters in due course.
  • crippscripps Member Posts: 412 Pioneering
    There really is some sad nasty people about, if you don’t like what people write stay away, this forum is for people with real problems that need real help and advice. If you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all . NC
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
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  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    sorry forgot this bit i have pointed out to some in the click that i disagree with their attitude yet you claim i selected them  no the same click always make comments bigging you up as you do each other
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    I’ve just hit the “Ignore” button. Reasonably confident it won’t be needed after tomorrow morning.
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    whistles said:
    This thread is turning offensive and will likely get closed.
    When I queried someone replying to it, my concern was that it would do just that.

    @mikehughescq has let everyone know that bringing up an old post is fine. Oddly the anger has now been directed at him for pointing that out!

    The other day I was accused of being a dwp spy.
    Today part of a clique.
    I am running out of hats to wear for all these new roles.


    why defend mike he made snide comment to me as i posted on a thread not knowing the poster was banned as to you it was not me said you were a spy i defended you but we are back to the same few who defend each other the click??
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    I've no comment to make on this particular thread.  But, what I've decided to do in general on threads in future is this.  If I think someone in all good faith has made a factual error, then in a civil manner,  I'll post what I understand the correct fact(s) to be.

    On the other hand, if I think that someone has posted absolute twaddle and/or been rude then I'll ignore them.  Members will be able too see for themselves that the person concerned either is writing nonsense and/or is being offensive.  

    Mark Twain said to never argue with fools; they'll drag you down to their level and win through sheer experience.

    Mark Twain was right.  Life's too short not to follow his advice.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Maybe it is worth closing some threads that are from those who are banned. 
    It prevents this type of thing occurring.
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    edited May 2018
    Victoriad said:
    Polite bit of advice now.......please stop sniffing those wine gums as you are not making any sense whatsoever ;)
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  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    edited May 2018
    I’ve just hit the “Ignore” button. Reasonably confident it won’t be needed after tomorrow morning.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    Sadly closing or deleting the threads doesn’t stop the starting of new threads as happened with the OP.

    I suspect the Scope staff are too busy for this but what’s needed is a check on new users by IP address. If they use a different email address to create an account but post from the same IP address as previously then you’re more than halfway to showing they’re the same person and can block the IP address depending on the forum software. 

    Fascinated to get email notifications for someone I now ignore. If they don’t like me they can ignore me. If they don’t like the alleged “clique” they can ignore them too but it appears that having a fight appears more. Putting aside the personal attacks I cannot imagine what goes through the head of someone who on another thread greets a new poster with a recommendation they look elsewhere whilst simultaneously calling out a poster for not being a spirited member of the disabled community. What on earth that poster must think I have no idea. I can’t imagine that’s a sustainable position for retaining membership of a forum though.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    Matilda said:
    I've no comment to make on this particular thread.  But, what I've decided to do in general on threads in future is this.  If I think someone in all good faith has made a factual error, then in a civil manner,  I'll post what I understand the correct fact(s) to be.

    On the other hand, if I think that someone has posted absolute twaddle and/or been rude then I'll ignore them.  Members will be able too see for themselves that the person concerned either is writing nonsense and/or is being offensive.  

    Mark Twain said to never argue with fools; they'll drag you down to their level and win through sheer experience.

    Mark Twain was right.  Life's too short not to follow his advice.
    It’s an interesting and difficult one isn’t it. Ignoring abuse is eminently sensible but not drawing attention to twaddle (I love that word) runs the risk someone will follow that advice and get into bother or even lose money. I’d like to think as a community that that isn’t the approach we’d want in general.
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    If you 'ignore' someone, what does that actually mean in practice?  Does it only mean that they can't post on your wall?
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    Good question. Don’t know. It stops you seeing anything they post but doesn’t stop the email notifications that they’ve posted. It also doesn’t stop you seeing their posts if someone else quotes them. Beyond that... don’t know.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    edited May 2018
    Good question. Don’t know. It stops you seeing anything they post but doesn’t stop the email notifications that they’ve posted. It also doesn’t stop you seeing their posts if someone else quotes them. Beyond that... don’t know.
    I have switched all email notifications off. It would depend if you have it set to notify you of certain categories? 

    We do have an ignore button. 
    We also have a finger to scroll past any comments and ignore. 
    That requires some basic good manners and maturity, where as some people just like to shout the loudest.

    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Matilda said:
    If you 'ignore' someone, what does that actually mean in practice?  Does it only mean that they can't post on your wall?
    It means you do not see anything they post.
    But if someone quotes them you will, but can simply read on.
    The wall no idea. I remove wall posts, hate them.
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    I’m with you on the wall all the way. Bad idea.
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    It’s so easy for some people to get angry and to keep coming back on here to vent. Sometimes it’s better to logout and calm down and think about our actions. This site is here to help people. It does help people. It’s not here for fighting. Think about how fighting is upsetting for many members desperately seeking help on here who may be at the end of their last hope. 
    If people don’t like the site don’t use it unless they need advice. It’s  not Scopebook. 
    💜🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
    I am a fibro warrior !💜♏️
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,998 Disability Gamechanger
    Always useful to remember that pain can cause a lack of focus and a lot of anger. It’s easy for that to spill into abuse so I’m generally hesitant to condemn out of hand. My line in the sand usually starts with swearing online and the making of unsubstantiated accusations. Offline of course I swear like a trooper :)
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    OK, thanks Whistles.
  • Sam_AlumniSam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,731 Disability Gamechanger
    edited May 2018
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