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colinphipps46
colinphipps46 Member Posts: 10 Listener
Does anyone like me who is very grateful to  get higher rate for mobility on pip feel upset by the cost of up front payments on automatic  cars on motability  for me with lower limb problems from middle of spine to my feet I can't walk much so find it really uncomfortable  to do the clutch so automatic  is only option  but see upfront payments for above car as discrimination against people  like my self does anybody else  fell the same 
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  • exdvr
    exdvr Member Posts: 331 Pioneering
    :( Hi    I'm in a similar position to you and the time has come to replace my Skoda Yeti automatic.   This model has been discontinued but its replacement is only available at an advance payment far in excess of what I can afford. Motability advance payments seem to have jumped considerably but it is always a source of irritation that automatics are so much more expensive especially in cases like ours where a manual box is unsuitable.  Perhaps it's a bit extreme to call it discrimination but I do agree with what you say and am unhappy at having to go downmarket to find something more fitting to my budget.

    Best wishes.

    DLTBGYD

  • Misscleo
    Misscleo Member Posts: 647 Pioneering
    Agreed its far too expensive. They must know disabled people need automatic cars. 
    Shame on them 
  • dee4848
    dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    edited February 2018
    Is  it because your choosing a most expensive car surly the dealers have automatics with no upfront payments
  • duckett123
    duckett123 Member Posts: 81 Courageous
    you can apply to your local charity for help but its all means tested
  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,449 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2018
    We should be grateful for the mobility scheme, everything paid for exspect fuel and insurance excess. Where else can you run a new car for under £60 per week all in? Even personal lease contracts aren't all in.
    The mobility car fleet is the bigest car fleet in the world. I have bought two used mobility cars in a the past one with 17,000miles and the current with 34000miles on the speedo.
  • colinphipps46
    colinphipps46 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    I am very grateful to motability  as I said but it's the upfront cost for an automatic  that's my point a basic zafira £349 manual and £1,349 For automatic  it should be the other way round in my opinion my point for putting it on was to see if anybody felt as I do but thank you for your comment this is why we come on the site so everyone can give theirs 
  • exdvr
    exdvr Member Posts: 331 Pioneering
    dee4848 said:
    Is  it because your choosing a most expensive car surly the dealers have automatics with no upfront payments

    Yes there are cheaper automatics but by the time you find one to suit what you actually need that's when the advance payments go through the roof.  I see from the scooter/wheelchair search that their advance payments have been scrapped completely for all makes and types  Something that Motability Cars could maybe think about ??  Don't get me wrong, I think the Motability Scheme is a wonderful thing that allows me more freedom than I could ever hope for but there are some niggling inconsistencies within it.

    Best wishes.

    DLTBGYD

  • colinphipps46
    colinphipps46 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    To dee4848 I think you misunderstood  what my point  was if the automatic was the same upfront payment as the manual I would not have a problem  with it at all it the thousand pound difference is the point like the response was when you find the car that suits it the difference that seems a little unjust 
  • dee4848
    dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    Please be grateful for what you receive like you say you are stop the moaning because one day it could be all taken away from you .
  • charlene
    charlene Member Posts: 555 Pioneering
    I renewed my motobility  car November 2017 and was surprised at the cost of an automatic.  If I now lose enhanced mobility with pips I stand to lose over £1,000.00. Unless anyone can tell me otherwise.
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
  • colinphipps46
    colinphipps46 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    I think you get the remaining months back of your deposit on a prorota basis let's hope you keep it 
  • colinphipps46
    colinphipps46 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    To dee4848 I'm certainly not moaning I know what it's like to loose higher rate pip as I did last year and had it returned at first mandatory appeal I think you have still missed the point I'm trying to make for me and others in my position  and automatic  with a big boot is your only option but it's the difference between the two upfront payments  seems a bit much   im extremely greatfull for what I get and with out would be house bound I just thought I'd put it out to gauge other people's opinions 
  • charlene
    charlene Member Posts: 555 Pioneering
    Thanks Colinphipps46. I really do hope I  keep enhanced mobility. I live alone and like you  I would be housebound. Always more or less been in control of my life, but now feel as thought I am not in control Anymore.
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
  • duckett123
    duckett123 Member Posts: 81 Courageous
    if you loose mobility and your car you will get £2000 from motabillity to cover you for your own car or towards one if you want
  • thespiceman
    thespiceman Member Posts: 6,389 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello every body just a few comments on automatics.  The main reason you pay advance payment is there do not make many of them.

    I recall one year wanted an automatic Nissan Micra the car I have now.  It came from Sunderland.  Where it was manufactured but you have to understand it costs more to manufacture.

    So limited numbers.  I once bought a car was the only automatic of its type in the North East of England.  The company who sold it to me.  Told me that, you might think a selling point.  To get me to buy it.  I did anyway found out on websites.

    Was a 16 value model Diahatsu Sport with yellow and blue stripes.

    So when you apply for a car on the scheme.  There are automatics with nil payment.  Sometimes it is worth ringing the car dealer when researching which car to buy to ask.

    Yes you get the list from Motobility saying what types, models are available.  Also remember car dealers have there own website what is available.

    If it says they have that model on the list not in a automatic.  The car dealer may have one.  They may have to order it in.  As I did with my last car from the actual manufacturer.

    If I recall even came from country where it is made Japan one time.  Came on the ship.

    Please ask they are there to help and assist.  That is there job.  Motobility Specialist.

    They also if you go to a car dealership and they have let say three marques as they call it .  As for advice.  I know I visited the dealer had this, so I asked automatic in any of these models.  Not on site but we can bring one down from a different dealer.

    I hope I have been of help.
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  • Misscleo
    Misscleo Member Posts: 647 Pioneering
    Many thanks very usefull
  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,449 Disability Gamechanger
    Not a mobility car user, but have worked all my life since 17 yrs old now at 60 plus I am disabled MS. I still drive get full mobility on pip lived a fugal life brought up three daughters all married now. I saved a little didn't have holidays out drinking smoking so get annoyed when those who,could and should of saved for the future are now moaning about not getting enough in benefits. We have a younger generation growing up not able to work or find work and may never work and live on benefits all or most of their lives. Starting families so that the state and tax payer can keep them in their life style. I've seen to many claiming benefits, smoking, drinking latest mobile phones then go home to a house or flat with the wide screen TVs and sky and broadband connection. We moan about our lot and what we have to deal with on a daily cycle. When will the gravey train end. More being paid out than going in how long can it last?? Sorry for the rant. 
  • thespiceman
    thespiceman Member Posts: 6,389 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello @wilko   Thank you for this, at last some one else.  Not just me then.

    This is my point yes I have a mobile phone yes I have TV.  Plus anything I need for household, but it is going to happen one day that we will have to pay for what used to be free.

    I have said that the Motobility scheme needs to adapt and change.  Rules and new situations have to be forth coming.

    One we all of us my age in 50's did not expect this, still fumbling around in the dark.  Still mystery the benefit system.  It is going to look after me till I get old and I can not cope.

    Idea cradle to grave system is over in my opinion.  Has finished does not exsist.

    So when I am struggling around trying to get from A to B.  Being uncertain if I qualify for a scheme.  That supposed to help me what now I ask?

    Take care
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  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,449 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2018
    @thespicemsn, it's hard I know we who where brought up in the 50s,60s & 70s where tought don't live beyond your means. But since the financial crash in 2008 I remember telling my boss this will be haunting us for the next 20 years or more. With low intrest rates low house repayment reduced, people had money spare when they should had been paying more off their houses. Now with more shops closing less productive jobs for the young let alone for those who are now losing theirs ( toys are us) it's a worrying time for those in work and those out of work or like us disabled living on benefits being paid for out of our national insurance payments, but what we paid in over the years doesn't even cover one years benefits payment at best. As one claimant reported he was receiving over £20,000 per year how many working people are needed to pay those benefits?? Makes you wonder how long it can go on? Sorry for another rant its there for all to see.
  • thespiceman
    thespiceman Member Posts: 6,389 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello @wilko Thanks for reply.  Please do not apologise for having a rant.  See my posts.  I send novels to people as I have sent one this afternoon.

    Problem is that it all worries me.   This current Government.  Just seen the next Prime Minister speaking.  He's making sense is he or it is me?

    I had last year or so come to the conclusion what do I do now.  Regarding my health, benefits.

    All of us on benefits have to aware of what is going to happen.

    Simple story lad I know where I live comes out of hospital.  Had recovered needs aftercare.  Got nothing.  So he's employed nursing care team using his benefits privately.  Just seen him this morning.  On two sticks saying what is happening.

    I said when I was signing on loads of vacancies nurses, care teams all employed direct payments.  He said this is the future then, well looks like it I said.

    I said knew a mate got addiction history rang me up once can you come and live me.  Comes out of hospital been told needs some one to care for him.  Well I live over here now.  So he has been told to find some one to share with.

    That happened to my exlandlady, her friend been friends for over 40years plus, told well we can not help you now.  Hospital went she came out.  She sold her bungalow, moved into my exlandlady's house.  I get a letter saying your rent is going up.  To cover costs as she explained on the phone to me.

    My exlandlady got a shock because of rent agreement laws.  Could not do it.  Reached a limit for that property rent wise.  DWP won't pay.

    Not only that the arrangement was forced upon here.  Not happy but care homes and places not forth coming.  So they had to live together.

    I moved out of the property I was renting from my exlandlady had enough by the end of the year because there was so much friction between the two of them.

    I was getting it every day.  The poor lady had no other friends or family.  Stuck with each other.

    So what are all of us going to do, if we end up in situation like that.

    Any of our community

    Sorry for long post, it bothers me all this.  I like a rant too.
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