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maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
edited March 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
i am 64 three years ago suffered stroke investigations discovered i have cardiomyopathy i then suffered a heart attack and developed pneumonia 3 months in the hospital were other investigations were done also found artery problems ie an aortic aneurysm and arteries in the groin to narrow affecting blood flow  consultants have stated  not treatable and in time i could lose both legs but at mo walking is the only problem i get checked 6 monthly for an aneurysm and weekly for blood re warfarin i am subject to sudden death  due to heart  due to it hardening  i suffer with lack of oxigen in blood so anY eXercise is limited  walking means i get giddy and fall over fell out bath three timmes and down garden path last time NONE OF THIS IS VISABLE so im in perfect health said a physio??? three consultants two docters  and a nuro surgeon say i will never improve only get worsee?? SHOULD I GET BENIFITS ????????

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  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    are there no accessers on here??????
  • NystagmiteNystagmite Member Posts: 609 Pioneering
    It depends how you're affected and not what you have.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    so cant walk 20yards  cant cook or prepare a meal cant get in and out the bath with out help? anytype of ecercise results in shortness breath  i cant plan or complete a journey due to  dizzyness and sudden loss of strngth in legs with pain  cant hold anything in left hand or severe pain and danger from droping things  can hold a cup in right hand  n but tremors if to long  getting up from sofa results in pains in groin  and dead legs  so need to raise and stand stil for a few mins  going upstairs holding rail and have to stop due to leg pain and groin pain  very short memorty term  and will get worse hardly sleep due to pain in left side  and worn out most days 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    ohh am on 20 plus tablets have constant doc and hospital appointments  in other words i can breath  move an arm  and sit all day  so??????
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited March 2018
    and spelling is ****
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    No one here can tell you if you should claim anything. All i can advice you is that PIP is for those between 16 and 64 so once you reach 65 you will not be eligible to claim it. My advice to you is start a claim ASAP. Once you reach 65 you will then have to claim Attendance Allowance and there's no mobility part to that.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pip+descriptors&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=kymkWqiEB6THXu25t_gI

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  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    No one here can tell you if you should claim anything. All i can advice you is that PIP is for those between 16 and 64 so once you reach 65 you will not be eligible to claim it. My advice to you is start a claim ASAP. Once you reach 65 you will then have to claim Attendance Allowance and there's no mobility part to that.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pip+descriptors&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=kymkWqiEB6THXu25t_gI

    i already have it  after i issued court papers  im just waiting to have a nice chat re  amount i am owed from 2015 and what they will do to try and convince me to stop  the post was to demonstrate acesers are liers and dwp know they are and a review is not a review but a full on new claim
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    It depends how you're affected and not what you have.
    It depends how you're affected and not what you have.
    ahh right so when you first claim you must fill in form stating how you are day to day and the effect on you day to day  and supply all evidence from doctors consultants??? but in a review you just need to explain how you are day to day ???is that correct
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited March 2018
    u see i must be thick because in my hand i have a form which says making sure youer award is right ?in it it asks if my condition better or worse or the same if worse you exsplain what is worse   which is easy due to my orifginal claim  but the trouble is its a new full acessmant because thats what capita were going to do till i started my case
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    maid08 said:
    u see i must be thick because in my hand i have a form which says making sure youer award is right ?in it it asks if my condition better or worse or the same if worse you exsplain what is worse   which is easy due to my orifginal claim  but the trouble is its a new full acessmant because thats what capita were going to do till i started my case
    Your posts are extremely confusing! what do you mean "till you started your case"?

     I take it you have the review form? Then fill it in and return it with all your evidence. Yes, you'll most likely have another assessment just like everyone else. If you're awarded then you'll have a new award date, if you're not then your money will stop 4 weeks after a decision is made.
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  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    @maid08 Sorry to here the problems you've had regarding an assessor Nothing knew there, you must be in perfect health after seeing one of them and they've diagnosed you with the (Magical miracle cure)? I wish!!!

    So they want people half dead or worse, but how the hell does someone when in work (full time) even get PIP? I know it's about functional implications.

    Jesus there still at? lying and overriding everything as usual. Wait till I get problems with it all I will kick up so much of a stink they won't know what's hit em, I certainly will not let this rest if I have this kinda grief that's for sure.

    They will show me respect as a human being, i will NOT be treated this way, i feel for so many that have had many many issues with this cruel method of assessing.

    When will this ever end. You gotta fight for your right and never give in till your last breath.
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  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited March 2018
    maid08 said:
    u see i must be thick because in my hand i have a form which says making sure youer award is right ?in it it asks if my condition better or worse or the same if worse you exsplain what is worse   which is easy due to my orifginal claim  but the trouble is its a new full acessmant because thats what capita were going to do till i started my case
    Your posts are extremely confusing! what do you mean "till you started your case"?

     I take it you have the review form? Then fill it in and return it with all your evidence. Yes, you'll most likely have another assessment just like everyone else. If you're awarded then you'll have a new award date, if you're not then your money will stop 4 weeks after a decision is made.
    i think my posts are very easy to understand if you read them? it says a test for you all ?and noone has noted other posts were i took out private court action  against acesser  nor that dwp and capita now state they found a fault in my acessmant of 2015 and are rectifying it or the meeting i have on the 23rd this month to sort out  cash amount and to reach agreement were i discontinue
    ?????
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    maid08 said:
    maid08 said:
    u see i must be thick because in my hand i have a form which says making sure youer award is right ?in it it asks if my condition better or worse or the same if worse you exsplain what is worse   which is easy due to my orifginal claim  but the trouble is its a new full acessmant because thats what capita were going to do till i started my case
    Your posts are extremely confusing! what do you mean "till you started your case"?

     I take it you have the review form? Then fill it in and return it with all your evidence. Yes, you'll most likely have another assessment just like everyone else. If you're awarded then you'll have a new award date, if you're not then your money will stop 4 weeks after a decision is made.
    i think my posts are very easy to understand if you read them ? it says a test for you all ?and noone has noted other posts were i took out private court action  against acesser  nor that dwp and capita now state they found a fault in my acessmant of 2015 and are rectifying it oer the meting i have on the 23rd this month to sort out  cash amount and to reach agremant were i discintinue?????
    and as to my review  yes thats right a review not a new acessmant for pip perhaps if peolple questioned instead just accepting more of us would not be in this mess a review is of the new points eaither worse better or gone it is not a claim for pip it is an update???
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    and i also note coments its not about how ill you are but how it affects you ?an acesser can sit and listen to anything you say and look at you and decide you are ill on what you say  not based on fact ??do not be fooled into they take docs evidence into consideration they do not you must convince a person with no qualification on youer illness so wont have a clue if youer faking or not that you are ill as and when ??but hy if you work you can still get pip its just one joke on another
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    @maid08 Sorry to here the problems you've had regarding an assessor Nothing knew there, you must be in perfect health after seeing one of them and they've diagnosed you with the (Magical miracle cure)? I wish!!!

    So they want people half dead or worse, but how the hell does someone when in work (full time) even get PIP? I know it's about functional implications.

    Jesus there still at? lying and overriding everything as usual. Wait till I get problems with it all I will kick up so much of a stink they won't know what's hit em, I certainly will not let this rest if I have this kinda grief that's for sure.

    They will show me respect as a human being, i will NOT be treated this way, i feel for so many that have had many many issues with this cruel method of assessing.

    When will this ever end. You gotta fight for your right and never give in till your last breath.
    @maid08 Sorry to here the problems you've had regarding an assessor Nothing knew there, you must be in perfect health after seeing one of them and they've diagnosed you with the (Magical miracle cure)? I wish!!!

    So they want people half dead or worse, but how the hell does someone when in work (full time) even get PIP? I know it's about functional implications.

    Jesus there still at? lying and overriding everything as usual. Wait till I get problems with it all I will kick up so much of a stink they won't know what's hit em, I certainly will not let this rest if I have this kinda grief that's for sure.

    They will show me respect as a human being, i will NOT be treated this way, i feel for so many that have had many many issues with this cruel method of assessing.

    When will this ever end. You gotta fight for your right and never give in till your last breath.
    yes fight and not put up with someone destroying youer life   these acessmants are a joke and need to be stopped 

  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,300 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi everyone who's having a rant about getting or not getting PIP. PIP as you all are well aware is about your ability to manage your daily live activities. The questions on the application form for PIP clearly asks the claimant on each question how do you, can you do and when you tick the box you need help with for example washing you then have space to write why you need help, why you can't do this activity ect, and if there is not enough space at the back of the form you have the opportunity to add additional information which can be added to with extra pages if needed by putting your name and national insurance number on each page. The accessor will ask you questions about the reasons you put in the answer space stating you need help. You will have to justify and evidence to as why you can't do or complete the activities being discussed. It is at this point the accessor will form their opinion of your reasons plus if you physical proves other wise will discount your evidence.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    wilko said:
    Hi everyone who's having a rant about getting or not getting PIP. PIP as you all are well aware is about your ability to manage your daily live activities. The questions on the application form for PIP clearly asks the claimant on each question how do you, can you do and when you tick the box you need help with for example washing you then have space to write why you need help, why you can't do this activity ect, and if there is not enough space at the back of the form you have the opportunity to add additional information which can be added to with extra pages if needed by putting your name and national insurance number on each page. The accessor will ask you questions about the reasons you put in the answer space stating you need help. You will have to justify and evidence to as why you can't do or complete the activities being discussed. It is at this point the accessor will form their opinion of your reasons plus if you physical proves other wise will discount your evidence.
    you must have had a top class acesser then mine asked a few questions listened to nothing  lied on 8 questions  refused ??its easy to say that we must but when we do give facts those are ignored thats fact hence my  case as it is and from what im reading seeing im not the only one that suffers being truthful matched by docters and reports from others
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    yeas of complaining and doing correct ways got nothing strange a few papers from courts can get a result???why its because it can clearly be shown a joke assessment a joke by dwp and most of all a joke on disabled people instead of taking it from gov ministers 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited March 2018
    wish i could copy my papers onto here and you all could see how forms filled in with reasons plus numbered refer to doctors letter or consultants  all easy to follow then see the answers written by acesser   i think that is what should be concentrated on the truth ??every enifit site is full lies on forms by acessers  so saying we must is daft ??we do but its ignored after the 23rd
     i will unless i agree not to up load my forms seen with full explanations of how it affects and why i cant  to do it now could afect my meeting 


  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    a question  mixing with other people reason no?? known to outbursts violence due to anxiety build up thinking people talking about him or stareing ??  lie enjoys seeing his son  without problems ???yet sat there asking a number of times are you okay and able to continue  truth fact but we get fiction
  • BarbiesnemesisBarbiesnemesis Member Posts: 86 Pioneering
    Am I right or wrong in thinking that what you are telling us is about how bad these assessments have been for you and now you have to complete a review form?

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  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,300 Disability Gamechanger
    The accessors have to be brought to task about their dishonest reporting and falseying evidence at accessments, maybe contacting our MPs giving up them the information of yours and  our plight may be a start newspapers local and national let the public know.
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    @maid08 I'm with you. There's no point in telling someone who's been treated so badly what you should and shouldn't do to get PIP. You did it all and still had major problems. I did too. So please everyone listen and appreciate that Maid08 is trying to tell you that even when you do everything correctly, have strong evidence that you do have serious health conditions which would naturally affect your daily life in a big way, you can still be turned down for PIP by a healthy, medically inexperienced, dishonest assessor who doesn't give a hoot how much they hurt another human being. Maid08 needs our support right now not just to be told how the system should work. There is a strong divide on this forum, the people who had a good assessor with no problem getting what they are entitled to and the rest of us. But that doesn't mean that the first lot of people can't accept that this is happening. Maybe it's a question of I'm alright it worked for me so all I need to do is tell you how I did it?     
  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,300 Disability Gamechanger
    Well put wildlife we all need to bring this mater to,the powers that be. Postal charges is out of the question so we are an online group lets get emailing our MPs national news papers and even local radio and TV stations for starters, so if any member knows the email addresses of the for mentioned groups post them for us all to use.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Victoriad said:
    Or are you trying to claim backdated payments from more than two years ago?

    im not claiming it i wanted the truth and the aceser sorted  but yes im getting cash from 2015 to which i was entitled full benefits on both daily and  mobility  am i happy no its been a struggle trying to be honest while made out to be a lier and stupid  on the 23rd this month it ends with either compo or a real apology then im going on holiday for a month to chill out  ohh i had lower on both only after a few weeks of bitter complaints and a new consultants report ?but acesser lied that was my point all along ?i have not worked out the differance in monye yet   but its a bloody costly lie by them and its cost me 200???strange thing is capita and dwp answered a court paper to aceser no reply from her as yet
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Am I right or wrong in thinking that what you are telling us is about how bad these assessments have been for you and now you have to complete a review form?

    i am trying to point out that dispite peaple saying you must forget illness and convince that how it afects you is useless as i have done it all and failed only to be proven correct in  facts win not fiction 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    wildlife said:
    @maid08 I'm with you. There's no point in telling someone who's been treated so badly what you should and shouldn't do to get PIP. You did it all and still had major problems. I did too. So please everyone listen and appreciate that Maid08 is trying to tell you that even when you do everything correctly, have strong evidence that you do have serious health conditions which would naturally affect your daily life in a big way, you can still be turned down for PIP by a healthy, medically inexperienced, dishonest assessor who doesn't give a hoot how much they hurt another human being. Maid08 needs our support right now not just to be told how the system should work. There is a strong divide on this forum, the people who had a good assessor with no problem getting what they are entitled to and the rest of us. But that doesn't mean that the first lot of people can't accept that this is happening. Maybe it's a question of I'm alright it worked for me so all I need to do is tell you how I did it?     
    correct and thanks i fought hard and long and said all this on joining site to be told i was not doing it correctly   then told they cant do no more for me i never asked for help in the first place  as you say those whp got ?are happy but those of us unfortunate to get a lier not only have to prove we suffer but prove we are not lieing how can we we have the proof from docters consultants who DO KNOW how it affects us or will know how it will afect us day to day they are ignored and treated as rubbish for a person who has no right or honesty to acess you just ask their govening body??????dwp know capita know but hy tough luck we made sure you cant take us to court we removed legal aid for benifit maters but surprise surprise the acesser is open to a claim if you can prove they lied it costs 200 quid to get 5000 if you hold first copy of pips claim and their answers its clear they 1 know nothing 2 are just ignorant 3lieing  3is fact you can prove  they cant say they made a mistake they are qualified so its a direct lie by filing in youer answers wrong ci osting you a benifit and they know it will full stop FIGHT  take out county court order u will be shocked at what happens within a week just make sure you have full name and reg number which they must give if asked if not get car reg number you can trace owner thru that
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    wilko said:
    Well put wildlife we all need to bring this mater to,the powers that be. Postal charges is out of the question so we are an online group lets get emailing our MPs national news papers and even local radio and TV stations for starters, so if any member knows the email addresses of the for mentioned groups post them for us all to use.
    my mp is labour and a complete waste of time??? proven ????in fact i told her give up theres more sense in a bit of wood
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    I am very fortunate that all the claims I have been involved in have been awarded with little problem.
    I do accept that there are many people that are not treated fairly and who deserve the awards that they are denied by this sysytem.

    There are two other groups of people.
    People that were on DLA who do not fit the PIP descriptors, rightly or wrongly because the criteria have changed, many of who do not understand the difference.

    and the people that are just chancers ( Scum of the earth )

    I will do all I can on here and other forums, to help anyone that deserves an award

    CR 
    point given  my local dwp office said how can they refuse we know you are buggered  its ridiculous  but hy that's the benefits system today  as in other walks of life shirkers gain ill people lose i had enough trouble getting in the support group till i was told at jobcentre you cannot come in for interviews that's a daft request
  • jamby41jamby41 Member Posts: 2 Listener
    edited March 2018
    Hi, I was on DLA and sent PIP forms January 2016. The nightmare began.
    Went for my assessment with my daughter, long story short I was beginning to loose it with the assessor, my daughter knowing the signs asked her to get on with it. Well she ended it and off we went. Gets decision in post no points. 
    Imagine my surprise reading that the assessor stated there was nothing wrong and she had examined me. The lies this woman told was unbelievable.  Mandatory reconsideration rejected. Put into appeal at tribunal. First visit tribunal Judge decided as DWP had not sent the medical evidence they held on me she thought this unfair. 
    So February comes second visit to tribunal. I had sent some other evidence in beforehand.  Decision appeal won gave me Top award for both elements, for five years. Did i celebrate no I couldnt it had made me so ill the stress alone was way too much.
    Two weeks later Brown envelope DWP are thinking of appealing the tribunals decision. That was over two weeks ago still not heard anything. To be honest I've reached my lowest point and think to myself is this worth it. 
    The thing that really got to me was there was nobody from DWP at both my tribunals, yet they can still appeal the decision on a matter of law. This is what i don't understand. If I'm summoned to court you are told if you do not attend then you have no redress if you later don't agree with Judge's decision.  So my question is why is DWP able to appeal, I mean I think that is a bit cheeky. Does anybody know what happens if they win and get the decision overturned?  I would like to be prepared for all eventualities.

    Thanks in advance!
  • WaylayWaylay Member Posts: 922 Pioneering
    @maid08 Ooh, so you sued the assessor in county court? I'd very much like to do that. Mine was horrendous. Polite in person, but report was a joke. Missed major facts out (I do have input from a psychiatrist, I am being seen in a Community Mental Health Team, Have not been discharged by the Pain Clinic, etc. Ignored suicidal ideation and self-harm, despite clear evidence of recent A&E attendance for it). Didn't bother to read forms, or medical evidence, at all.
  • WaylayWaylay Member Posts: 922 Pioneering
    @maid08 So you sued your assessor in county court? What for?
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited March 2018
    Waylay said:
    @maid08 So you sued your assessor in county court? What for?
    Waylay said:
    @maid08 So you sued your assessor in county court? What for?
    i had papers sent for my loss of benefits caused by her deception and intent to deny by her actions and to gain financially while depriving another ie her lies cost me but made her cash  the solicitor wrote it out nicely but that's the jest because i could prove she lied ?both on her answers and her report to dwp i hold both copies still no reply from acesser but one from DWP and capita  who suddenly found a mistake in my original claim ?????amazing after all this time fighting it  i have to be careful at the mo on whatt i disclose til after the 23rd



  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    50quid bonus for fail reports
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    u must have papers to give in with claim highlighting lies and obvious deception ???no matter how you word things a lie is a lie deception is just that  
    you cant do it to dwp but capita are a private company so you can they are along with employee.s accountable 


  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Waylay said:
    @maid08 Ooh, so you sued the assessor in county court? I'd very much like to do that. Mine was horrendous. Polite in person, but report was a joke. Missed major facts out (I do have input from a psychiatrist, I am being seen in a Community Mental Health Team, Have not been discharged by the Pain Clinic, etc. Ignored suicidal ideation and self-harm, despite clear evidence of recent A&E attendance for it). Didn't bother to read forms, or medical evidence, at all.
    it won't get to a hearing my solicitor already told me that he was correct  county court are not a joke  although some think they have minor powers  they learn they can be very effective  
  • WaylayWaylay Member Posts: 922 Pioneering
    Hmmm. The threat may well be enough.
  • WaylayWaylay Member Posts: 922 Pioneering
    Really? £50 bonus for fail reports? Do you have any proof? I'd love to see it!!
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited March 2018
    lets just say that job interviews give a lot of info with someone who thinks its great they hold a bit of power and think you really want the job??????psychiatric nurse???its a well-paid job even while training and gets better as you go along most qualified doctors  earn less

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    you can gain a lot of info from capitas own site if you check staff reviews

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Waylay said:
    Hmmm. The threat may well be enough.
    they have to recaive papers so threat not much use  threat then papers will wake them up i judge that thousands make threats but never follow thru so they just ignor

  • BarbiesnemesisBarbiesnemesis Member Posts: 86 Pioneering
    @maid08 I did the same as you on my PIP claim. I told them how my disabilities affected me and gave them evidence but they just lied and ignored the evidence. They made me feel like a liar; it was horrible. 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    @maid08 I did the same as you on my PIP claim. I told them how my disabilities affected me and gave them evidence but they just lied and ignored the evidence. They made me feel like a liar; it was horrible. 
    seems normal  but then cash always did outweigh morals by people  as that's what an acesser is mostly no morals 
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