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Contribution based ESA phasing out, what will happen to people who have assets?

wideyeswideyes Member Posts: 18 Connected
am in receipt of ESA contributions based support group higher rate DLA lower rate personal care 

am I correct saying that even though one is ill , this type of benefit maybe phased out and replaced with an income based means tested benefit ?

spoke today to Osbornes welfare benefit solicitor who mentioned that ESA Contribution based support group type benefit will not carry on as s benefit ongoing 

my worry is : 

i am receiving legal advice re a disabled trust and as long as my sick benefit remains non means tested the trust should not affect this . However if the DWP phase out esa Contribution based benefit what will happen to people who have assets with sick benefit ? Surely the sick benefit should remain non means tested with transitional protection for life ? 

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Pioneering
    Hi wideyes

    Thank you for posting.

    It's the income-based "legacy" benefits that are currently being phased out, in favour of universal credit.

    There are six of them: income-based Jobseekers Allowance, income-related Employment and Support Allowance, Income support, housing benefit, working tax credit, and child tax credit. 

    I'm not aware of government plans to phase out the contributory legacy benefits. 

    Best wishes

    Gill_scope
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,347 Disability Gamechanger
    Contributory ESA simply becomes "new style contributory ESA". 

    Unfortunately, DWP don't understand this and think all new contributory ESA claimants must also claim UC, even when patently not entitled. 
  • itsmefeeitsmefee Member Posts: 27 Connected
    I am on Contributory ESA on the old system and applied recently for housing benefit. I had to claim Universal Credit for the hosing benefit and Child Tax Credit part but that runs along side my CONT ESA.

    However, any benefits you receive including ESA are deducted from any amount of benefit you get under UC, which leaves you no better off than you were before you applied. This was the case for me. 
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,603 Disability Gamechanger
    Sounds a fantastic system.  :|
    Yet more fiddling, messing it up and assessments. 

    What's the purpose of changing the name to be style? More planned cuts?
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,347 Disability Gamechanger
    UC introduces about 17 different benefit systems simultaneously. So, people already getting ESA who move to UC would be 1 scenario whereas people who claim ESA and UC at the same would be another whilst people who claim ESA having already been on UC would be third... and so on. So, 2 and 3 are “new style”.
  • wideyeswideyes Member Posts: 18 Connected
    I am currently dealing with Osbornes solicitor London . He is very up to date on benefits and has knowledge that new style ESA contribution benefit support group will be phased out . 

    You wait and see what this conservative government will do 

    they will ensure sick benefit which was transfered from Invalidity benefit to ESA contributions based will be removed just watch this space 

    the DWP are intending to start challenging people on means tested esa more stringently and it will not be far off when the DWP will use everyone’s assets to determine if they should be entitled to sick pay 

    watch this space 
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,603 Disability Gamechanger
    wideyes said:
    I am currently dealing with Osbornes solicitor London . He is very up to date on benefits and has knowledge that new style ESA contribution benefit support group will be phased out . 

    You wait and see what this conservative government will do 

    they will ensure sick benefit which was transfered from Invalidity benefit to ESA contributions based will be removed just watch this space 

    the DWP are intending to start challenging people on means tested esa more stringently and it will not be far off when the DWP will use everyone’s assets to determine if they should be entitled to sick pay 

    watch this space 
    Where is the evidence to back this up.
    It's this type of comment that looks like scaremongering.
    Nobody has a crystal ball as to what will it won't come into effect.
    What does look to be the case though, is people are getting their benefits shaved in some way or another. 

    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,347 Disability Gamechanger
    It’s a slightly garbled post. There are two separate assertions. One is that the Support Group for new style ESA would be going whereas later on it says that contributory ESA as a whole is going.  

    Some aspect could be true if a solicitor at said practice knew someone involved in drafting but, as you say, posting on a forum such as this is perhaps inappropriate as there’s no evidence for this at all in the public domain. 

    Payment for being in the WRAG has gone for new claims so this could be confused with that.


  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,184 Disability Gamechanger
    Talking sense again Mike, the new style ESA is something DWP keep hidden and we, those wishing to claim it have to ask and be persistent. Not claiming it and just going for the UC leaves you, we the claiment financially worst off in most cases but not all.
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