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Make everyone with a lifetime disability, mental or physical, have life time PIP

ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering

Make everyone with a lifetime disability, mental or physical, have life time PIP 4 votes

Everyone needs to sign!
75%
debbiedo49sam12alisonann 3 votes
10,000 signatures needed
25%
Quinlan1 1 vote

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  • mckee05mckee05 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Yes to that people that have been born with disability are not going to get better your not going to grow legs arms
  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Wouldnt let me vote???
    Shame wasnt set up properly 
  • TopkittenTopkitten Member Posts: 1,263 Pioneering
    I appreciate the thought behind this but I am not sure that many mental conditions are permanent, most will respond to treatment. Even some physical conditions could become non-permanent with sufficient research. A lot are not of the "missing limb" kind and even those could be resolved if they ever figure out how to re-grow body parts. For now it would be logical for PIP to have a list of conditions which are currently permanent but then what about conditions like mine which are new and unheard of? In addition you cannot say at what point even some known conditions become disabling without a current assessment. People can be diagnosed with MS long before it makes them unable to function, for example.

    TK
    "I'm on the wrong side of heaven and the righteous side of hell" - from Wrong side of heaven by Five Finger Death Punch.
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    mckee05 said:
    Yes to that people that have been born with disability are not going to get better your not going to grow legs arms
    You need to click on the link, not the vote button 😊
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Misscleo said:
    Wouldnt let me vote???
    Shame wasnt set up properly 
    Click on the link
  • Pippa_ScopePippa_Scope Member Posts: 5,856 Disability Gamechanger
    Here is the link shared above for anybody wanting to sign the petition!
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Misscleo said:
    Wouldnt let me vote???
    Shame wasnt set up properly 
    Click on the link.
  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Right went to your link guess what still isnt set up correctly.
    You go all the way through then it says you havnt signed up.
    That's a waste of time. Tried 5 times you go all the way through then it STILL says you havnt signed up.
    Even though it's taken ALL your details 
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Here is the link shared above for anybody wanting to sign the petition!
    Sorry you couldn’t do it Misscleo try this one, I’m not the best on computers 😊
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Misscleo said:
    Right went to your link guess what still isnt set up correctly.
    You go all the way through then it says you havnt signed up.
    That's a waste of time. Tried 5 times you go all the way through then it STILL says you havnt signed up.
    Even though it's taken ALL your details 
    See Pippa Scopes link, you have to go to your email to confirm.
  • susan48susan48 Member Posts: 2,229 Disability Gamechanger
    Petition signed, hopefully some good will come from it
  • sam12sam12 Member - under moderation Posts: 1,347 Pioneering
    Everyone needs to sign!
    We all need life award
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Hard to disagree with the government response on this one. Illustrates how poor the information about PIP is in the first place. Disability benefits have never been about having an impairment. They have always been about the consequences going all the way back to the creation of the original Attendance Allowance. The real issue is about the cultural approach to evidence within DWP.
  • axwy62axwy62 Member Posts: 140 Pioneering
    Actually, I think the real issue is that because a very, very small minority have claimed disability benefits to which they were not entitled, all claimants are now assumed to be lying and/or exagerating until proven otherwise. There's also still a general misconception that DWP will ask your GP or Consultant or whoever else you've put on the form for information, otherwise why would they need their details? I've not seen any statistics about the proportion of cases where 'further information' is asked for, but I bet it's pretty low.

  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    axwy62 said:
    Actually, I think the real issue is that because a very, very small minority have claimed disability benefits to which they were not entitled, all claimants are now assumed to be lying and/or exagerating until proven otherwise. There's also still a general misconception that DWP will ask your GP or Consultant or whoever else you've put on the form for information, otherwise why would they need their details? I've not seen any statistics about the proportion of cases where 'further information' is asked for, but I bet it's pretty low.

    Sorry don’t agree with you on that one, as I had everything stopped when going from IB to ESA back in 2012, was bedbound and had been for four days prior, lost all monies and car, reinstated three months later. Now going from DLA high rate indefinite to PIP in February 2017, lower rate on both, MR and Appeal still stayed the same, just submitted new claim after eight hour appointment, and put in a complaint re assessor done by phone and email with CAB. None of my illnesses will ever get better, so explain that one. Nothing to do with fake claims, more like lying Atos assessors!
  • Milly123Milly123 Member Posts: 34 Connected
    Wouldn't let me vote???? Tried several times.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    That’s because all such petitions last for such months so it’s expired. No great loss tbh IMO.

    Also axwy62 said:
    Actually, I think the real issue is that because a very, very small minority have claimed disability benefits to which they were not entitled, all claimants are now assumed to be lying and/or exagerating until proven otherwise. There's also still a general misconception that DWP will ask your GP or Consultant or whoever else you've put on the form for information, otherwise why would they need their details? I've not seen any statistics about the proportion of cases where 'further information' is asked for, but I bet it's pretty low.

    which I now have the time to comment upon. The assumption that a proportion of claimants lie has always been there and has nothing to do with fraudulent claims, which are at a negligible level. 

    The intention is that only a small proportion of medical professionals would be contacted has always been the case so, yes, it is very low.
  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
     
    which I now have the time to comment upon. The assumption that a proportion of claimants lie has always been there and has nothing to do with fraudulent claims, which are at a negligible level. 

    The intention is that only a small proportion of medical professionals would be contacted has always been the case so, yes, it is very low.
    How do the DWP come up with these magical figures of a percentage of claims that are known to be fraudulent?

    If the DWP know this why aren't they prosecuting the offenders to such an extent that the figure goes to 0?

    If on the other hand it is nothing more than an estimate based on assumption then the actual figure could well be a lot higher (or lower).
     
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    I meant that it’s an assumption by the media and the public. The reality is very different.
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    Everyone needs to sign!
    Over 38000 wow!
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, but contrary to the original post, 100,000 were needed not 10,000 so it fell well short and in the context of 6m disabled people of working age (the ones impacted by PIP) that’s 0.6% of those who could have voted. Kinda tells you it was not the right question.
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Yes, but contrary to the original post, 100,000 were needed not 10,000 so it fell well short and in the context of 6m disabled people of working age (the ones impacted by PIP) that’s 0.6% of those who could have voted. Kinda tells you it was not the right question.
    It doesn’t finish till November 2018
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Shlbly said:
    You need to click on this link, and then answer the email you are sent.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Ah, correct. My bad. It’s not going to come near though is it.
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Ah, correct. My bad. It’s not going to come near though is it.
    No worries, if everyone keeps signing and sharing it might.
  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
    Shlbly said:
    Well if that happens I can't see why DLA was closed down.

    This will never happen. It goes against the intention of why PIP was brought out - regular intervals for re-assessment.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Does it not just not stand alone as a daft untenable idea then? Kinda makes me worry for the 38,000. 
  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
    A bit of silly nonsenseMake everyone with a lifetime disability, mental or physical, have life time PIP - I am a type 1 diabetic which is (unless I am very lucky and am given a transplant) a lifetime disability - should all type 1 diabetics be given a permanent and lifelong PIP award?

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    I love the “mental and physical” bit. Not sensory impairment then? That’s 360,000 votes lost straightaway. 
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    I think they shoukd have either a separate section for mental health .or some mental health professionals. As I feel mental health is treated extremely poorly in the p.i.p system .
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    I think the petition is a great idea .but honestly it's too big a criteria .but good luck with it 
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    edited July 2018
    Personally I feel they wouldent jump from barely acknowledging mental health .too awarding lifetime .sadly .hope I'm proved wrong I really do .something needs too give .Yes definitely as people are looking there lives etc .I feel quite passionately about mental health  if there was so way of getting the government too acknowledge it .I'm definitely in !.I have no clue how this night happen though x
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Honestly don’t see how mental health professionals would make a difference. There’s no inherent bias against mental ill health. The process is poor for everybody. We all feel passionately about the treatment of our own impairments but mental ill health pribsnly has the highest profile with government of any condition and that’s absolutely reflected in the comparative expenditure too. It’s described as an invisible impairment when it’s anything but in many respects. That’s not a criticism. More an observation of how one person’s view can different to another. 
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    It does seem that there are a huge amount of people with varying mental health conditions more so than physical that seen too get it .would be interested too see the figures .ive got alot if physical issues but manage too get points needed but mental health in my case has been played down I feel.luckily I haven't needed too appeal the descriptor. But the principal it and u see in others frequently on here makes me passionate about it .Not for just myself 
  • Quinlan1Quinlan1 Member Posts: 33 Connected
    10,000 signatures needed
    I think that if you worked and was given company pension or told that you were no longer fit for work and this was then handed to the benfits office before you could claim  benfits this would give you a starting block 
    i worked for RHM for overly 2o years I got full pension and was told I never be able to work again then way do the Dwp say  otherwise I had to pass 2 drs wait 10 months and see a dr about my metal health I also had to go in to work onnce a month to see if I was ok 
    If you had a disbliliy from birth this should be taken in account and given points before you get there ones  gives us a life
    we don’t want the moon we want to eat well homes that are heated care to help us sorry NHS but if we don’t get the Help we need from the DWP we end up with more for the NHS
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Unfortunately PIP is not a benefit which is about fitness for work. That’s ESA.
  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Does anyone know when the disabled register  was dumped.
    And why
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Shlbly said:
    Why is this even back? It hasn’t got any less silly.
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Shlbly said:
    Why is this even back? It hasn’t got any less silly.
    I would appreciate it if you didn’t call me silly thank you.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Shlbly said:
    Shlbly said:
    Why is this even back? It hasn’t got any less silly.
    I would appreciate it if you didn’t call me silly thank you.
    I’d appreciate it if you would read posts fully before commenting. I very clearly said that the petition was silly and not the person posting it. I am not in the habit of abusing or name calling. 
  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
    Quinlan1 said:
    I think that if you worked and was given company pension or told that you were no longer fit for work and this was then handed to the benfits office before you could claim  benfits this would give you a starting block 
    i worked for RHM for overly 2o years I got full pension and was told I never be able to work again then way do the Dwp say  otherwise I had to pass 2 drs wait 10 months and see a dr about my metal health I also had to go in to work onnce a month to see if I was ok 
    If you had a disbliliy from birth this should be taken in account and given points before you get there ones  gives us a life
    we don’t want the moon we want to eat well homes that are heated care to help us sorry NHS but if we don’t get the Help we need from the DWP we end up with more for the NHS
    The question that you should ask is - would what you are suggesting cost the country more money than it currently pays out for PIP?

    You have to remember that PIP was brought in simply to cut the then level of spending on DLA by 20%.

    With that in mind would your suggestion meet that target of spending?

  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Shlbly said:
    Yes, but contrary to the original post, 100,000 were needed not 10,000 so it fell well short and in the context of 6m disabled people of working age (the ones impacted by PIP) that’s 0.6% of those who could have voted. Kinda tells you it was not the right question.
    It doesn’t finish till November 2018
    And you tell me to read posts properly, what you wrote about ‘silly’ could of been taken two ways.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Feel good about having a go at someone with a complex visual impairment do we?
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Feel good about having a go at someone with a complex visual impairment do we?
    Go somewhere else for a row, because you are not getting one from me!
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    Feel good about having a go at someone with a complex visual impairment do we?

  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Admin what are you doing about this rudness
  • ShlblyShlbly Member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    Misscleo said:
    Admin what are you doing about this rudness
    Nothing apparently!
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,334 Disability Gamechanger
    If it’s been reported then doubtless something will be done in due course but it is the weekend and I doubt Scope admin are on here 24/7. On the other hand if people haven’t reported it but persist in complaining about it in a public, passive aggressive manner then quite rightly nothing will happen. I’ve zero tolerance for public passive aggression I’m afraid. If you’ve an issue then do something about it but don’t keep complaining publicly whilst not actually doing anything about it.

    I do indeed hope that the very people complaining about “rudeness” have made sure their own house is in order by ensuring, for example, that clear cut personal abuse posted on their walls, maybe naively thinking other people might not spot it, has been taken down before anyone might screen shot it and report it to admin. Two of those three people have posted on this thread. Let’s hope that people in glass houses aren’t throwing stones eh! 

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