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boggle10boggle10 Member Posts: 23 Listener
Need help with this form I'm getting overwhelmed 

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  • debsidoodebsidoo Member Posts: 327 Pioneering
    Hi boggle10
    i am assuming you need help with either esa or pip forms.You can get help filling these out from the CAB or age U.K. Just contact your nearest and make an appointment.They will talk you through it and let you know what evidence you need to include with it.
    Remember keep a copy of everything that is sent and always send it signed for so that you have proof.Good luck.
          Debsidoo.x
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    debsidoo said:
    Hi boggle10
    i am assuming you need help with either esa or pip forms.You can get help filling these out from the CAB or age U.K. Just contact your nearest and make an appointment.
    I'm not being negative but do not be disappointed if either of those cannot offer an appointment for many weeks if ever.
    Been there over the past 5 years and never actually managed to get an appointment with either within a reasonable time frame.

    Alternatively there is plenty of good advice on the web including this site and the CAB one.
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    Hello!

    Which form are you referring to? If you are talking about the DLA forms then contact your local CAB agency to make a appointment. Or you could use one of those published guides online to help you answer the questions properly too. A social worker can also be a good source of information and assistance regarding the paperwork required. Remember to have enough evidence to support your claim form. Make photocopies of everything. Read the questions carefully. We have a wealth of knowledge and information about benefits forms so you have come to the right place for information and advice. What condition(s) does your child have? What does she or he find hard to do? How old is she or he now? 

    Best of luck!! 
  • boggle10boggle10 Member Posts: 23 Listener
    I'm using to cab web site. But I'm actually finding it hard to describe how I feel and the day to day way I have to live
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    Disability Rights UK site gives a draft diary that gives an outline of what a disabled person's day might be like.  Good idea to include a 7 day diary with your application form.
  • boggle10boggle10 Member Posts: 23 Listener
    Sorry folks it pip form and I have fibro and osteoarthritis and I'm in agony most days. But as I said it hard to describe to be honest
  • debsidoodebsidoo Member Posts: 327 Pioneering
    Hi boggle10
    i know in some areas you can get someone from Age U.K.to help with your forms.If you can contact your local branch office they will be able to tell you more.You don’t have to be a pensioner to ask for help but I have no idea what the lower age limit is.Good luck.
         Debsidoo.x
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    debsidoo said:
    Hi boggle10
    i know in some areas you can get someone from Age U.K.to help with your forms.If you can contact your local branch office they will be able to tell you more.You don’t have to be a pensioner to ask for help but I have no idea what the lower age limit is.Good luck.
         Debsidoo.x
    I believe that it is 55??
  • WHATWHAT Member Posts: 20 Connected
    Do you have any One Stop Shops nearby? I am lucky enough to have my wife work in one and she knew of a lovely man who dealt with all PIP/DLA/ESA paperwork with you. Maybe go an enquire if there is anyone similar there than you can see?
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    What is a 'One Stop Shop'?

  • WHATWHAT Member Posts: 20 Connected
    Yadnad said:
    What is a 'One Stop Shop'?

    They are usually run by the local councils, i live on the Wirral and there are many of them dotted about, you can go and ask advice about any service available be it anything to do with taxes or benefits. 
  • boggle10boggle10 Member Posts: 23 Listener
    I live in northern Ireland. 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    WHAT said:
    Yadnad said:
    What is a 'One Stop Shop'?

    They are usually run by the local councils, i live on the Wirral and there are many of them dotted about, you can go and ask advice about any service available be it anything to do with taxes or benefits. 
    Thanks I see. Unfortunately from personal knowledge of my council and being a councillor myself  I know that such a system does not exist here. Likewise the County Council itself offers no help other than the entitlement to have a Welfare Rights Officer assigned to you provided that you are someone who is currently entitled to Social Services involvement for domestic abuse, sexual abuse and the inability to make decisions about your own life due to age or infirmity.  
  • WHATWHAT Member Posts: 20 Connected
    boggle10 said:
    I live in northern Ireland. 
    Yeah i wasnt assuming you live on the Wirral :P But maybe you have some OSS nearby, they can usually help on the spot rather than needing to make an appointment with CAB (which you have to do here as they are so busy and cutbacks etc).
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    WHAT said:
    boggle10 said:
    I live in northern Ireland. 
    Yeah i wasnt assuming you live on the Wirral :P But maybe you have some OSS nearby, they can usually help on the spot rather than needing to make an appointment with CAB (which you have to do here as they are so busy and cutbacks etc).
    Most people have to do it themselves nowadays without any help or advice.

    What I can say is that with three face to face assessments for PIP in the past 5 years and after joining this website, I now realise that the way I filled out the forms, how I presented my evidence and how I handled the assessments was all wrong and it did me no favours. Too late for me now as they took all of the PIP award off me (High Mobility & Care) and being 70, too old to make a new claim.

    Make sure you get advice from websites like this one and never think you know what to do, make sure you know what to do.
  • WHATWHAT Member Posts: 20 Connected
    Yadnad said:
    WHAT said:
    boggle10 said:
    I live in northern Ireland. 
    Yeah i wasnt assuming you live on the Wirral :P But maybe you have some OSS nearby, they can usually help on the spot rather than needing to make an appointment with CAB (which you have to do here as they are so busy and cutbacks etc).
    Most people have to do it themselves nowadays without any help or advice.


    Yeah its a shame as its a totally confusing form (on purpose) I'm lucky i had someone to help me that knew exactly how to fill it out and the context to answer the questions.
  • boggle10boggle10 Member Posts: 23 Listener
    I used the c.a.b. questions and help with answers. But I'm worried sick, I need tipex because I think I went into too much detail. 
  • WHATWHAT Member Posts: 20 Connected
    edited July 2018
    boggle10 said:
    I used the c.a.b. questions and help with answers. But I'm worried sick, I need tipex because I think I went into too much detail. 
    You can never not go into too much detail, tell them everything about your disability in minute detail, the more you say the more it helps.
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    Disability Rights UK site also has a guide to PIP applications including a draft diary you can adapt.  Good idea to include a 7 day diary with your application.
  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Hi when you said "too old at 70 to make new claim"
    What happens when a claim runs out and you turn 70?
    Please give full info as need to show group of friends 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Misscleo said:
    Hi when you said "too old at 70 to make new claim"
    What happens when a claim runs out and you turn 70?
    Please give full info as need to show group of friends 
    If you are in receipt of a PIP award the age you are at doesn't matter. When that claim comes to an end and the DWP offer the opportunity to reclaim PIP, then provided you make that claim, go through with the face to face assessment you will hopefully get a new award for a new period of time.

    However if after that assessment you fail to get enough points the DWP will tell you that you no longer qualify. If you then apply within 30 days of the decision notice for a MR you keep the right to an award and hopefully the DWP will change their mind and revise their first decision and make a new award for a new period.

    If that doesn't work you have another 30 days after the DWP tell you that the MR has failed to lodge an appeal. When you go to the Tribunal and win you will get a new award and a new time period plus all of the benefit back to when it stopped.

    If you fail at the Tribunal then that's it - no more chances - you lose the right permanently to PIP because you are over 65.


    I got as far as the MR which failed and decided to call it a day as I could not cope with the pressures and stress that an appeal heaps on you. Because I failed to lodge the appeal notice within the specified time of 30 days I automatically became barred from making another claim because I am over 65.

  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    What a cheat
    .plder people need pip more.
    We camt do anything to improve our income cos wr over 65.
    Amd iv worked since 16 like many other oaps.
    Thats discrimination against older prople
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    You can't make a new claim for PIP aged over 65.  If you are due for a review aged over 65 you can still be awarded PIP after the review.  If you don't agree with the review decision then you can appeal.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,989 Disability Gamechanger
    Misscleo said:
    What a cheat
    .plder people need pip more.
    We camt do anything to improve our income cos wr over 65.
    Amd iv worked since 16 like many other oaps.
    Thats discrimination against older prople
    No, it’s not.

    There is DLA for children; PIP for adults of working age and AA for adults above pensionable age.

    Turning to the OPs issue I would suggest you stop filling in the form and read the following: 

    1) If you’re going to do it yourself then ask for an extension of time and don’t just accept the first figure which comes into their head i.e. 2 weeks. Ask for what you need; do so in writing and keep a copy; make it clear your request is one for a reasonable adjustment under the Equality Act 2010.

    2) Please do not assume, as asserted above, that you can’t give too much detail. Yes, you absolutely can. Pages of medical reports confirming your diagnosis if it’s not in dispute and describing general symptoms rather than you are not helpful and can make it harder for your claim to succeed. Focus on the points you need; why and the evidence to support that. 

    3) A diary can be useful in some cases but yours isn’t one of them because you’re in agony most days so the difference between days isn’t going to be that great.

    4) Describe your pain in general terms in the any other information section. Where? How much for each different pain on a scale of 1 to 10; how often it varies and then leave it at that.

    5) Read up about the PIP points score; self assess and decide what you ought to score. Then think about evidence. For each points scoring activity you need 2 to 3 brief examples of what happened last time you did that activity. Pay particular attention to reg 4 and reliability https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system. If you can’t do it reliably, safely, repeatedly or in a reasonable time then you can’t do it. Your examples don’t need witnesses. They just need what; when; where; what happened next. Do that for every points scorer and you’re in business.

    6) Either write or preferably type your answers on A4 paper.  Number the pages and don’t forget each one should say PIP claim; your name and your NINO. On Q22 for example you can then just write in the form at Q22 “please see additional page 6”.  You can either attach them with a staple or treasury tag or cut and paste in the ones that would fit in the blank boxes anyway. Will save you an awful lot of tippex :)

  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited July 2018
    Misscleo said:
    What a cheat
    .plder people need pip more.
    We camt do anything to improve our income cos wr over 65.
    Amd iv worked since 16 like many other oaps.
    Thats discrimination against older prople
    Maybe but that is the system. 
    There is however a different benefit for the over 65's - Attendance Allowance. This benefit is totally different to PIP in that it does not have descriptors or points.

    It is assessed based on the amount of care you need throughout the day or night or both. The care given/needed has to be substantial and regular. Think carers coming in or family members to help with the basics of living.

    There is no mobility element just care. This is because the DWP deem that if you can't get around easily after 65 it is said that it is just the ageing process and not a disability.

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,989 Disability Gamechanger
    Not substantial or regular. That’s Carers Allowance. For AA it’s frequent attention during the day; repeated at night. Continual supervision during the day abd watching over at night. 
  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Many thanks for all that info.
    So AA or CA whst about pendion credit?
    Whats the diffrrence beteeen payments
    Oh and 1 comment sounded like over 65 people dont meed to get sround
    Most of us think we need a lot of help.getting around. Like our own car and help keeping it on the road.
    Cant get under a car or change a wheel.with all thid arthritis and a crumberling spine. Knees. Hands etc
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,989 Disability Gamechanger
    Misscleo said:
    ...
    Oh and 1 comment sounded like over 65 people dont meed to get sround
    Most of us think we need a lot of help.getting around. Like our own car and help keeping it on the road.
    Cant get under a car or change a wheel.with all thid arthritis and a crumberling spine. Knees. Hands etc
    Different times indeed. The original Mobility Allowance (pre 1992) could be claimed before pensionable age but received until aged 80. The underlying assumptions were that mobility issues before pensionable age were to be expected but after not so why should government pay for what nature largely does. They also assumed there was no need to pay after 80 as most people would be dead. So, things have actually moved on...

    Whilst AA only looks at care, that does include the consequences of mobility. So whilst it won’t look at inability or virtual inability to walk, the same things which limit mobility inevitably impact dressing; bathing etc. and so would actually help towards a successful claim.
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