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New problem for disabled

Does anyone know if premiums for being disabled eg SDP are payable on Universal credit?as the UC i believe is focusing on "helping" people into work and not disability focused. Also as severity of health condition is not recognised by not having a support group verses WRG is the premium lost for SG lost on migration. Finally because the distinction of the support group and WRG is not distinguished does that mean the disabled are liable to meeting DWP policies such as visiting jobcentre meeting certain obligations to recieve benefits? just worrys me as i have fibromyalgia/ME and Complex ptsd which will probably put me in a mess and vunerable to sactions.

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  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    I’ve asked about u c and sdp and been advised that you lose sdp on transition. I’m on jsa and currently not being pushed to transition as they say it could take up to a year to do that and they will be looking at my personal circumstances. They say I won’t be forced on to u c and that I may be better off on u c as I work part time and the rules for work are different.  I don’t see how they can make those statements when everyone is moving to u c aren’t they? 
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Listener
    totally dont understand it ....really dont think the disabled fit the criteria to go on a work based benefit...i know some with disabilities can work and they are entitled to pip but this is different this is a benefit that booasts it makes people better off in work and is work focussed. my belief is that they are having to pay uc to people in work because the wages are so behind inflation and instead of dealing with that they are robbing the disabled so they dont havee to start looking at the rich and increasing their taxès and wopping salaries..god forbid they would have to be targetted! they need to get money from somewhere for the minions...ah great idea the disabled...
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    When a change of circumstances prompts a move to UC if the persons claims SDP then this premium is lost because there's no premiums paid on UC. Once managed migration starts then a transitional protection payment will be in place to make sure that we're not any worse off.

    The WRAG and support group equivalent for UC is LCW and LCWRA but a person isn't classed as having LCW until they're assessed and a decision is made. A fit note from a GP or a PIP award doesn't automatically entitle you to LCW. Until you're given LCW then yes the claimant commitment applies. Some work coaches will decrease the hours but very few will turn them off completely. If they're not completely turned off then a sanction will apply if you don't complete the hours stated in your journal.

    If someone moves across from ESA because of a change of circumstances before the managed migration takes place then DWP should honour the ESA award and place you into the relevant group, this doesn't always happen and many people have had problems with this.

    DWP did make an announcement in June of this year to say that those who are currently claiming SDP will not have to move to UC with a change of circumstances until managed migration takes place. However, no further announcements have been made regarding this and until this time a claim for UC will happen if a person has a change of circumstances in a full UC area.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Listener
    wow poppy you know your stuff. Thankyou so much for clarifying this. I thought that wwhen you were put on UC even though you were disabled you had to agree to look for work to keep uc
    as i thought that was the commitment to recieve benefit . ive been so scared because i know i cant work.Made me feel much better...i used to have a brain but i just cant keep up at all now.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Thanks! Are you receiving ESA at the moment?
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,347 Disability Gamechanger
    UC is not a “work-based benefit”. That’s just rhetoric. Most people on UC will be sick or disabled and the decision to remove SDP is quite deliberate. What people aren’t taking on board is that the rules coming in preventing a move to UC if you’re on SDP mean that 

    a) if PIP is lost even temporarily you may be forced into the UC lobster pot anyway if ESA is lost in consequence.

    b) less people will go through “managed migration” and thus a massive saving will be made as people will migrate naturally when they have a change of circumstances and thus not be entitled to transitional protection. 

    c) this slows the roll out of UC to a crawl and is quietly killing it. However, what it them does is mean we will have multiple benefit systems for potentially 20 years as Labour sure as hell won’t be sorting it and the Tories have no ideological reason to do so.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Listener
    yes i am in the support group but my pip was stopped in june as only awarded it until then (3 year award by tribuneral) Dwp took all my points off me and i am worse ..now awaiting tribuneral ..just feel like the goalposts are constantly shifting and nearly 4 years of fighting for support with benefits and relevant mental health support for CPTSD my conditions are taking a.hit because of this.
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