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PIP 10 YEAR LIGHT TOUCH?

Hello, hope I’m posting this in the correct section. I’m expecting my 1 year review letter from DWP anytime now. My PIP claim is due to end March 22nd 2020. This would end my 4 year PIP award receiving enhanced/ enhanced.
Below are some links to info i can muster up regarding the 10 year “light touch” awards for those on enhanced / enhanced PIP which would end the need for stressful reassments. I’m also aware that “light touch” hasn’t been fully outlined yet except for making sure the DWP have my correct bank details.
I have multiple health conditions that won’t improve and have been on PIP enhanced / enhanced for 5/6 years now.
Being on enhanced / enhanced (sorry for repeating) I’m thinking this could apply to me?
Another reassessment letter could be in the post as I type this. It would just be comforting to not have that PIP clock ticking away in the back of my head.
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-1113/UIN_174062_-_Award_period_guidance_10.10.18.pdf
https://community.mssociety.org.uk/forums/everyday-living/dwp-new-pip-guidance
https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-statement/Commons/2018-12-20/HCWS1224
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3857-dwp-begins-moving-existing-pip-claimants-to-10-year-light-touch-reviews
Thanks!
Below are some links to info i can muster up regarding the 10 year “light touch” awards for those on enhanced / enhanced PIP which would end the need for stressful reassments. I’m also aware that “light touch” hasn’t been fully outlined yet except for making sure the DWP have my correct bank details.
I have multiple health conditions that won’t improve and have been on PIP enhanced / enhanced for 5/6 years now.
Being on enhanced / enhanced (sorry for repeating) I’m thinking this could apply to me?
Another reassessment letter could be in the post as I type this. It would just be comforting to not have that PIP clock ticking away in the back of my head.
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-1113/UIN_174062_-_Award_period_guidance_10.10.18.pdf
https://community.mssociety.org.uk/forums/everyday-living/dwp-new-pip-guidance
https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-statement/Commons/2018-12-20/HCWS1224
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3857-dwp-begins-moving-existing-pip-claimants-to-10-year-light-touch-reviews
Thanks!
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Also to add as with the advice you've been given already. Also which is worth noting, the best way to fill your form is with short anecdotal sentences relevant to what you can and can't do, add the evidence which is of functional nature within your medical evidence, which relates to how your condition which best describe your disabilities or health condition(s) on a daily basis. Add diagnosis if you can, even having a diagnosis doesn't just automatically entitle you to ESA, or PIP. Your GP might or wouldn't know really how your day to day life is affected.
Im on a ongoing PIP with the so called light touch. Nothing has been published about it yet. To get that award I'm well and truly knackered and will never improve and was backed up with solid functional evidence.
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Also, is it worth phoning to prompt them?
The form you should recieve very soon or in the next couple of weeks, then if you still haven't heard I would call them and ask when it's due, and the form is called an AR1 which is a renewal form, fill it in as if it was a new claim. Let us know how you get on. Good luck
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So someone who has both a life limiting and deteriorating condition and is awarded enhanced/enhanced they should have been given a 10 year award? That doesn't fit in with a lady I know that had high/high DLA then was awarded enhanced/enhanced PIP yet was given a 3 year award and is currently going through a review and was awarded nothing for care and standard for mobility for 3 years. She is waiting for a Tribunal hearing. Is there a list of conditions that the 10 year award relates to?
She was diagnosed 18 months ago with final stage COPD amongst other debilitating conditions for over 10 years.
The examples they give are:-
"Severe neurological conditions such as multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease, dementia, Parkinson’s disease, severely disabling stroke..."
@tcellmutation seems odd, if you look on your original award letter it should tell you when a review is likely.
At the moment you've said it's til 22nd of March 2020, if you look down the form it should state the date of 22nd March 2019.
So why the DWP are saying another six months 22nd September 19 before the end of your award does seems very odd.
As I know all 2,3,4,5 upto 10 year awards have a review date a year before, I would re phone the DWP again to definitely confirm that right.
The only awards that don't have an end date is an ongoing PIP award which I have and there is know end date on my letter.
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1.10.3 The following are illustrative examples of when it may be appropriate to advise ‘no review required’:
no review required – ‘His learning disability has been present since birth and his functional limitations are unlikely to change now. He lives in supported accommodation and there has been no change to his functional ability in the last few years. A review is not likely to be considered necessary.’
no review required – ‘The claimant has motor neurone disease with high levels of functional impairment in the daily living and mobility activities. He requires significant support from his carer and his needs are only likely to increase due to the progressive nature of his condition.’
They can be given for many, many conditions. I didn't have a face to face and I'm knackered in other words all my evidence and conditions prove o will neve get beter.
As you can see here. I don't need another review. I'm paralysed on my right side, Stage 3 COPD and many others.
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Just to add add to this...my last award letter says “because your condition to unlikely to change I have extended your award and will not contact you before March 22nd 2019”
Weird!
Now to your condition you need to show you meet those needs to recieve an ongoing award for PIP.
Follow my advice and explain and make sure you Medical evidence backed up by everything you say.
Also to add as with the advice you've been given already. Also which is worth noting, the best way to fill your form is with short anecdotal sentences relevant to what you can and can't do, add the evidence which is of functional nature within your medical evidence, which relates to how your condition which best describe your disabilities or health condition(s) on a daily basis. Add diagnosis if you can, even having a diagnosis doesn't just automatically entitle you to ESA, or PIP. Your GP might or wouldn't know really how your day to day life is affected.
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@tcellmutation
Okay that's good.
Follow the rest I've given you and add your evidence in. But make sure it's not contradictory of each other.
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But it let us know how you get on with it all, and if you need further help just tag @poppy123456 and she will steer and guide you well, she knows a lot regarding these issues too.
Remember follow the advice we've given you and you should be fine. Good luck.
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They will look at my current PIP benefit. See “enhanced / enhanced”. They'll Make a decision to see if I’m eligible for the 10 year award.
If I am eligible they’ll contact me and inform me I don’t need to come in for another assessment.
Initially this light touch approach was only for new claims but now it has been extended to existing claims.
They won’t arrange another assessment and then make the decision in my case as they already have the paperwork.
”Newton added that work had now begun to identify existing claimants who should be covered by the ‘on-going award’ procedure:” - Jan 2019
I have a close friend who is 69 and receives enhanced for both and had a 3 year award in 2017. His condition is stable at the moment, it will never improve but will deteriorate over time. M/s Rudd said recently that all pensioners from Spring will not be retested until 10 years have elapsed despite the award given. He has just been sent a AR1 form for a review of his PIP after 2 years of being awarded it.
So much for what the government have said.
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I’ve already had enhanced / enhanced on two assessments now.
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If you want to post it go for it if it makes you happy.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Contacted PIP twice via phone which confirmed review date of September 22nd 2019. None of the advisers thought anything of it when questioning it. Then again, I guess that’s not their concern.
As ive said I'm not gonna say anymore you've had a phone call with the DWP I trust them phone calls with the contempt they deserve they will tell you anything and you have no proof what was said unless, I don't believe nothing unless it's in writhing.
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Gotta love your tenacity and the trust in the DWP. Not receiving an AR1 can also be an issue as the DWP could say they sent you one also as you've not received it dose t mean you will be okay. You will have to go with what feels right for you my friend and I hope it's what you expect.
I was on DLA indefinite and no face to face and moved over to PIP with no issues.
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@tcellmutation I don't really spend much time on here, yes an ongoing award does but my health is not very good at all and will never improve, but I do a lot of campaigning for disabled organisations and have a few friends in high places.
Yes I can see you have a lot of issues with your health and I know an ongoing award would take pressure of you I appreciate that. I just hope the DWP aren't playing you ive seen and heard of some very awful cases.
Unfortunately I will never be well again I can assure you of that. I've made it my mission to help make a change for disabled people and get involved in all sorts of debates and state the facts as they are, the research I have to do within keeping up to speed with the latest policy's too it's hard work.
I do my little part time work in trying to make a change for the better.
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Just updated one of the DWPs latest scams and where fighting against it. See in my signature below.
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You can see the video here.
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On the other hand it is always best to ignore what the government or ministers say as generally it never happens.
That is really going to make his day when I tell him !!
Trust me they did a similar idea with ESA in September 17 for those already in the Support Group and would have to have another assessment first. If they then fitted the criteria, again, then only then would be placed in the exception group.
As ive said on many time never believe what the DWP say, they made these changes to make them selfs look as if there doing something for the disabled....
Never trust a Tory..
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You can see the video here.
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Still I may well be wrong and as you say you cannot trust any of them.
I know how the DWP operates. Good day.
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https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/news/department-responds-dwp-ministerial-statement-personal-independence-payment-pip
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https://www.parkinsons.org.uk/news/more-improvements-ongoing-pip-awards
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/globalassets/age-uk/documents/factsheets/fs87_personal_independence_payment_fcs.pdf
https://www.kdc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/file/Decision%20and%20Payment.pdf
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I’ve read some horror stories of people worse off then me not even getting any points. I hope the system works for these people in the end
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This maybe a useful website for some as it is for me.
https://www.neurosymptoms.org/welcome/4594357992
“Some people have troublesome systems that they wish to understand without necessarily having a ‘disorder’ - these are called functional neurological systems, and this site is for you too”
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/756542/ar1-pip-award-review-how-your-disability-affects-you.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0Vf0EoV4uJIv894cjzYB8Iw-UrM870q6asDNte_lnN7chGPkufbmhnkB0
Put it bluntly I doubt that many pensioners current aged 71, and will get reviewed at ages 81 & 91 who are receiving PIP will have the ability to fill that lengthy form out. The 10 review is likely to be in letter form asking if there are any improvements to the health & impact.
5 years is good but as with the other awards they will send forms out after 4 years.
With my 10 year award it says they will not contact me until after 2029 so it’s a true 10 years!
@WF2k
On your statement of entitlement letter does it show the breakdown of the points you have been awarded?
My statement of entitlement letter is 2 pages, front and back showing all descriptors and points.
I need to renew my CEA cinema card and they want me to upload the statement of entitlement letter as proof of my disability benefit. This information is very personal to send.
On previous statement of entitlement letters it only shows my entitlement and award dates.
I agree it can be intrusive but there is not much you can do about it.
I had another home assessment on the 4th.. ugh.