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Claiming pip from indefinite dla

martincook1968

I've just phoned deposit to claim pip from indefinite dla because I'm now in a wheelchair and getting worse what should I do and what help can scope offer

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martincook1968

Can anyone give me some help with pip claim from dla indefinite

poppy123456

Hi,

PIP and DLA are totally different. PIP is about how your conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activities based on the PIP descriptors.

When you receive those forms you'll need to fill them out with as much information as possible about how your conditions affect you. Adding 2-3 examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.

You need to send evidence with the form to support your claim because they very rarely contact anyone for this. Evidence should state how your conditions affect you. Letters from a GP aren't the best evidence to send because a GP very rarely knows how you're affected against the PIP descriptors. Future appointment letters and information from the internet aren't classed as evidence.

If you need extra time to return the form you should ring DWP who will extend the time by 14 days. Providing you return the form within the time then your DLA will continue until a decision is made on the PIP.

If you're successfully awarded PIP then your DLA will end 4 weeks after a decision is made and PIP starts 3 weeks after that. There's no backdated money, even if you have a higher award for PIP than you have with DLA. If you're not successful then DLA stops 4 weeks after the decision is made.

Expect a face to face assessment because most people have them. It's rare to have a paper based decision.

This link will help you understand the descriptors before you start filling out the forms.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers

Descriptors here. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form/

twonker

As a word of warning, many people with Indefinite awards and even with the highest category of care and mobility in DLA fail to get enough points when claiming PIP.

You should forget what you know about DLA and concentrate on the new way of assessing the impact of a disability

martincook1968

If I was entitled to it before for years and it was indefinite and I'm now in a wheelchair with chronic and progressive illnesses I shouldn't be having to re- apply after 26 years of being medicaly unfit for work by the government and medical officers and pensioner off medically unfit and registered disabbled and registered severely mentally impaired, anyone with some real help the impact of being disabled to my family and to deal day to day life is within my medical problems such as being on 18 tablets a day, M.E., on stations for my heart epilepsy, diverticulitis liver disease, deaf in one ear, visual problems, colitis ,reflux, arthritis,spondulitis,hypertension, drop attacks, social anxiety , periferal neuropathy, feet and hands, gout disabled left hand/arm and foliculitis, if I'm not entitled to pip after all these years there is something greatly wrong, your comment wasnt helful and wasn't very positive for people with real illnessess maybe you are referring to people who are not I'll who shouldnt be trying to claim money they are not entitled to , I had enough points in dla and the new pip self assessment to give me enhanced pip, I know just to well about being disabled for over 50 years,we seem to be on a different level, genuine people with certain illnesses are automatically recognized, like mobility if you cannot walk and in a wheelchair are pysicaly disabled and those who are mentally impaired also are disabled in ways that not all disability are visible,i asked for physical help from a member of scope not some educational therapy for a person I am already aware of the criteria, and just in case the government try to undermine my genuine case I need a legal representation I case of a review if some health care assistant is incompetant and tries to undermine medical experts,im looking for representation on the day of pip assessment. Thank-you for your reply but it's not what im looking for I'm 100% aware of the criteria to be entitled to (pip), no need to reply thanks again.

poppy123456

@martincook1968

I was actually trying to be helpful. You'll be amazed at the amount of people that don't fully understand the criteria for PIP. People will think that they should score a certain amount of points for a descriptor when in fact it's not possible.

Having all those conditions doesn't mean you'll qualify and neither does having a lifetime award for DLA. PIP is completely different.

Unfortunately, scope don't offer help or support with a benefits application. You will find it extremely difficult to get representation for a face to face assessment. Most advice agencies don't represent for this anymore. They will only represent for a Tribunal and it's extremely difficult to find an agency that will do this. CAB certainly don't do either because they no longer have the funding for this.

Fitznspatz

I thought poppy and twonker’s replies were extremely helpful - and had paragraphs! - but if they were no use to you Martin remember that other browsers on this site could find them beneficial.

On the day of the assessment you say you want representation. Can you clarify what benefit you think this person will be to you as they will not know your medical history or, much more importantly, how your many conditions affect your ability to do daily tasks?

Surely you are your own best advocate. You can tell the assessor precisely how your conditions impact on your life. Reading this forum you sometimes get the impression that assessors are out to trick you or falsely record what you have said. My wife’s experience of a face to face assessment was completely the opposite of this. The assessor was engaging, thoughtful, respectful, attentive ... would more could you wish for?

Your post above comes across as ‘forceful’. May I respectfully suggest on the day of the interview you adopt a more malleable tone; I think it will serve you better.

poppy123456

As a community champion here on scope please be mindful of your comments. We are a friendly group that give great advice to those in need. You have been given great advice whether or not you choose to take that advice is your choice. I wish you good luck.

Fitznspatz

>> I didn't ask for your opinion <<
apart from saying “can anyone give me any help’.

CockneyRebel

@martincook1968

martincook1968 said:

I think you talk rubbish these assessments are not done properly they tell lies and I was asking for support I've had nothing but hostile remarks I won't be doing again I'd rather not even bother, and I didn't ask for your opinion so crawl back under your rock

The majority of assessments are carried out professionally with most claimants receiving the correct award without incident. If your reseach has been on line then you will only have seen the problem cases. I cannot see any hostile remarks other than from yourself. You have been given the best advice available which if you choose to ignore, I will wish you luck with your claim

Adrian_Scope

Hi @martincook1968, unfortunately representation at PIP assessments isn't a service that Scope is able to offer. I'm sure you've already considered this, but it might be worth getting in touch with CAB about the sort of representation or assistance that might be available to you.

On a side note, we recognise that people may have differing opinions on what advice is 'right' or 'helpful' in some cases, especially when somebody else's suggestions are different to their own views.
However, it's important to remember that we strive for the community to be a supportive and friendly place for everybody. We kindly ask users to be mindful of others and respect each other's suggestions when receiving or offering guidance. Comments should be on the content, not the contributor.